pregnant

[ejervjero]

Thanks for posting this!

I find the numbers stated that were used "troubling" however

Remember 73.6% of all statistics are made up including the one about 73.6% of statistics being made up

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics

[JGD]

I have a sister who is vaping 2mg nic... and she couldn't quit smoking without it. She has been smoking very minimally since getting pregnant (maybe 3-5 cigs per day tops) but she still felt terrible about and the stress of her worry was a big factor. Since she's been vaping between 0-2mg organic juice (mixed by yours truly) she feels better, has less stress and hasn't heard anything but positive feedback from her doctor. Every situation is different. I wouldn't recommend vaping a high nic level but vaping at -2mg of nic in her juice seems far less dangerous to me than smoking cigarettes. of course this is a touchy subject but none of us are in the position to judge or make decisions for others. If women are getting support and encouragement from their doctors when they switch to low nic vaping, I'd say who are we to to say otherwise?
I'm VERY proud of my pregnant sister for making the transition and I know her stress level is down since she began vaping. From what I remember during my first pregnancy (when I also smoked), the stress of quitting smoking is considered a big factor since stress can have negative impacts on a fetus as well. For my sister, even vaping at 0mg of nic, the psychological benefit of having that fall-back has gotten her over the hump. And she was able to *almost* quit during her first trimester.... but once the morning sickness wore off her cravings returned. As we all know, heer 3 cigs per day COULD have easily turned into a pack a day habit again. And nobody can tell me smoking 0 nic organic VG juice is less safe than smoking a pack of cigarettes per day?

[Forkeh]

Look, I'm not a doctor or anything, but I look at the issue with common sense. Nicotine in its natural state, is quite like caffeine in the way that it affects the adult body. However, I wouldn't think it'd be a good idea to use, in any form wile pregnant. We have to remember that stimulants, and minor drugs, while mostly harmless to adults, can be quite dangerous to children and unborn future humans in whatever stage (embryo, fetus, whatever). I mean we are warned quite strongly to be careful to keep our juices away from children and pets. The toxicity level, I'm sure, is a great deal lower for a child/developing child than it is for an adult. If I recall correctly, though nicotine is similar to caffeine in the way it affects us, caffeine isn't recommended during pregnancy either.

The difference between a inert substance, and a poison is often in dosage. This is true for just about anything; water, oxygen, etc. But with something that is actually possible to poison ourselves, as adults, without ingesting gallons, or the gas equivalant, but as little as less than a ml of the pure substance, it's definitely not something I'd be comfortable using if I were pregnant. But that's just my opinion.

[JGD]

Yes, I agree.... but if a pregnant woman is going to either smoke cigarettes with nicotine AND all the dangerous chemicals that come along with it versus vaping at ZERO, 1 or 2mg of nic (2ml a week!?), the low to no-nic option (especially in such small quantities) has GOT to be less risky in comparison. And her doctor agrees. Unless you're a doctor and have the same level of experience with prenatal care, fetus development, etc. I'm not sure you or any other untrained person has the place to contradict his advice on this one. The last two bottles I made for her were at zero nic. And through BOTH of my pregnancies I was told I could have one or half a cup of coffee per day. I chose to not drink coffee and did not consume nicotine in any form during my last pregnancy.
When someone is addicted to a substance we can rationalize all we want about the best possible treatment of a fetus. But we all know that sometimes addiction over-rides rational thought. I'd rather see my sister stress-free, vaping little to no nicotine than smoking throughout her pregnancy. If this is an either/or scenario, which is how I'm presenting it, I think it's a bit of a no-brainer. She went from 5mg of nic down to zero in a matter of weeks. Now it's just a psychological aid to help her stay cigarette free. I've also managed to get her husband vaping. Living with a cigarette smoker has made quitting VERY hard for her. So, now that's she's down to zero nic and her husband is vaping I think the odds of continued slips will be far less likely. And perhaps she'll be able to stop vaping altogether.

[Forkeh]

And as I stated, it's just my opinion. Why else was this thread made, if not to get our opinions? Doubt anyone here is a doctor or medical expert. Heck, not even every doctor is always right.

It's not something I'd be comfortable doing, and it's not something I'd be comfortable suggesting anyone do. That's all.