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D4Rkk4T · 09-19-2009, 07:38 PM

I am a type 2 diabetic. Since I quit smoking analogs 5 months ago and recently started vaping, I have found PG does not raise my blood sugar much but VG a bit more. I am currently on Atkins which helps out a great deal and I test myself often.

aschmidy · 09-19-2009, 08:18 PM

I just got my blood tests back this past week. I have been vaping very heavy since January, quit analogs in April. I smoked 1 1/2 to 2 packs (120's) a day for 34 years. I use VG only, 24-36 mg. around 3+ ml. a day. (I would drink it if I thought it was safe!). My glucose was down 10 pts. since my last test 5 years ago. And my cholesterol was down almost 40 pts!! (which is unbelievable, I have a huge family history of trouble with cholesterol).
I was put on an inhaler for asthma, which stinks. But, I have had issues with breathing for a long time with all the years of smoking and with my allergies. It actually is better since I quit analogs, I just never told anybody. That is why I only use VG. With PG I am really sucking wind, but that's just me.
By the way, when the nurse asked if I smoked I explained the e-cig to her (she had never heard of them). She asked a lot of questions and asked for a demo. She was impressed and I got to vape in the dr. office!! She has a brother-in-law she was going to talk to about e cigs. She wrote me down as a non-smoker. Never thought I'd see that!
My doctor had never heard of e cigs, was interested, but was rushed. She was happy with all my test results, though.

Luv2CUSmile · 10-03-2009, 04:16 AM

I am not in the medical field, nor do I have diabetes but a point to also remember is that the lactic acid break down possible because of the PG- this can be part of it since you can't absorb the sugars properly as you used to- That is sugars in any foods (all food contains some type, even bread, fruit, etc) Lactic acid breaking down, which did enable your body to absorb certain things, can now possibly be keeping you from absorbing properly- causing the sugars to "Lay" in your system-
Just a thought- maybe going to non PG- Vg or using a mix of ... Sry I have no ideas- Ia m too new at this myself- Just the thought on lactic acid breakdown- has a lot to do w/ digestion as well- My husband used to be a dietician so I knew that much- LOL Good Luck!

Nestran · 10-03-2009, 10:11 PM

I suppose it is possible that the sugar is an issue but I would not rule out changes to your system from quitting smoking getting you out of whack. Guy at work all of a sudden started to have sugar issues and I was not sure why. He had been on weight watchers for a few weeks and lost some weight. went to the doctor and sure enough, he had to adjust the meds because of the weight loss and new diet.

The body is a fine machine and you don't normally witness the subtleties until you make a change.

Nestran

damunster · 10-03-2009, 11:28 PM

Well, I am really confussed now. Is it PG or VG that can raise your sugar. I am a type 2 diabetic and have been a bad, bad girl. I went to the DR in Jan and was doing great. Sugar lvl down and A1C was around 6. I started vaping in June. Went to the DR last week and my sugar was high and A1C is at 9. Dr was very unhappy (so was I). I have been vaping PG but switched to VG (which I like better anyway). Now I am not sure if PG, VG or that venti Starbucks w/syrup that I have every morning is the problem. I have cut out the Starbucks (and all the bad snacks) and will see how things are in Dec. I enjoy vaping and don't want to go back to smoking. I smoked for over 40 years and I am one of the ones that really enjoyed smoking so I was suprised when vaping helped me to stop analogs.

PaulZ · 10-04-2009, 01:19 AM

I have access to a, in laments terms, blood-sugar/insulin/etcetc tester machine (hehe) I will go, and get a stable reading then wail on an entire cartridge on my vape, and see what happens.

I'll let you all know in a day or so, i'm heading over to the lab for some MI testing on mice, and the equipments in the same room.

PaulZ · 10-04-2009, 02:15 AM

The following I tried to put in simple terms, i'm known to use big fancy science words that even confuse me when I read it back, so i'll do my best to make it easy to understand:
something for the OP to consider....

your body cannot magically add glucose to whatever you're putting into your body.

The amount of “sugar” in PG or VG cannot be higher from inhalation than digestion, as digestion will use ~100% of the glucose that you get from it.

Another wards... the most sugar you can get from smoking 1-2ml of PG or VG is equal to eating that much sugar (1.. maybe 2 grams?) over the entire day, which is nearly nothing.

Nicotine on the other hand, has been shone to drastically affect your insulin levels. 50-60% PER “regular strength” cigarette. The thing is, you can easily excess your nic levels with vaporisers because the “hit” is slower coming than with tobacco smoke. If you have increased your nic levels without meaning to, your insulin (and blood glucose) levels would increase SIGNIFICANTLY. With non-diabetic test subjects, blood sugar levels took 1.5-2 hours to reduce back to normal, which diabetic patients took 5-7 hours. That means if you're smoking more than one cig worth of nic per 5-7 hours, your raising your blood pressure about 50% anyway.

The “sugar” in your cartridges are hardly what i'd be worried about. I say ween off nic and smoke non-nic for a while, and see how that goes. Nonetheless I will run some tests. will do 90% PG 10% water, 90% VG 10% water, and get the results. If nothing is found, I will have my friend who smokes regular cigs (marlboro red 100's) and do the tests on him. For accuracy I will fast for 8 hours before the test to determine FBS (fasting blood sugar) which is most likely what they used to determine if you had diabetes in the first place.

to who posted right before me:

also on the PG vs VG thing - Glycerine has been shone to not affect insulin levels while glycol has. so even if PG does affect things drastically - vaping VG will probably do nothing... you could eat buckets of it (and get fat!) but not gain any in the insulin/blood glucose region

PaulZ · 10-07-2009, 04:33 AM

so, tested today. i will give detailed results later but here are general findings:

Non-nic PG = minimal raise in BS levels (same as eating 1g of sugar or so.. very minimal.. 5-6% or so after 10 puffs) no increase in Blood pressure

Non-Nic VG = No fluctuation beyond normal occurrences (that happen regularly) after smoking an entire 510 cartridge. no increase in blood pressure

1 Regular Marlboro red on a current 2-pack a day smoker (not me) = 52% increase in BG levels and 35% increase in blood pressure immediately took approx 2 hours to return to normal levels on both.

16mg nic 50% pg/VG based solution in a 510 on the "pack a day" smoker after his levels returned to normal = a 59% increase in BG levels (though slower coming than with an analogue) and 43% increase in Blood Pressure.
took approx 3 hours to return to normal levels on both.

While this is hardly a conclusive test, the general idea is shown: nicotine is what will kill you, analogues will kill you even worse.. as a diabetic.

i say, smoke some non-nic and see how it goes for you.

damunster · 10-10-2009, 04:36 AM

That is some good info. I do vape alot of 0 nic. I vape alot when I sit at my comp and that is where I vape the 0 nic. And I have been using VG to cut instead of PG and BS has been going down. I also stoped the Starbucks (with syrup). I use a little of the sugar free syrups (in my Starbucks).

RazorNribbonz · 10-10-2009, 04:59 AM

Interesting. I am type 2, and was on oral meds. Until recently my BS level was doing so well he took me off my meds all together...I vape PG 18 mg usually

by the way, the sugar free caramel latte's at starbucks are really good ( providing you dont get someone who's heavy handed with the syrup)

09-19-2009, 08:18 PM	#32
aschmidy Senior Member ECF Veteran Supporting Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Wisconsin-deep in the woods Posts: 223	I just got my blood tests back this past week. I have been vaping very heavy since January, quit analogs in April. I smoked 1 1/2 to 2 packs (120's) a day for 34 years. I use VG only, 24-36 mg. around 3+ ml. a day. (I would drink it if I thought it was safe!). My glucose was down 10 pts. since my last test 5 years ago. And my cholesterol was down almost 40 pts!! (which is unbelievable, I have a huge family history of trouble with cholesterol). I was put on an inhaler for asthma, which stinks. But, I have had issues with breathing for a long time with all the years of smoking and with my allergies. It actually is better since I quit analogs, I just never told anybody. That is why I only use VG. With PG I am really sucking wind, but that's just me. By the way, when the nurse asked if I smoked I explained the e-cig to her (she had never heard of them). She asked a lot of questions and asked for a demo. She was impressed and I got to vape in the dr. office!! She has a brother-in-law she was going to talk to about e cigs. She wrote me down as a non-smoker. Never thought I'd see that! My doctor had never heard of e cigs, was interested, but was rushed. She was happy with all my test results, though. __________________

10-03-2009, 11:28 PM	#35
damunster Full Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 125	Well, I am really confussed now. Is it PG or VG that can raise your sugar. I am a type 2 diabetic and have been a bad, bad girl. I went to the DR in Jan and was doing great. Sugar lvl down and A1C was around 6. I started vaping in June. Went to the DR last week and my sugar was high and A1C is at 9. Dr was very unhappy (so was I). I have been vaping PG but switched to VG (which I like better anyway). Now I am not sure if PG, VG or that venti Starbucks w/syrup that I have every morning is the problem. I have cut out the Starbucks (and all the bad snacks) and will see how things are in Dec. I enjoy vaping and don't want to go back to smoking. I smoked for over 40 years and I am one of the ones that really enjoyed smoking so I was suprised when vaping helped me to stop analogs. __________________

10-04-2009, 02:15 AM	#37
PaulZ Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 171	The following I tried to put in simple terms, i'm known to use big fancy science words that even confuse me when I read it back, so i'll do my best to make it easy to understand: something for the OP to consider.... your body cannot magically add glucose to whatever you're putting into your body. The amount of “sugar” in PG or VG cannot be higher from inhalation than digestion, as digestion will use ~100% of the glucose that you get from it. Another wards... the most sugar you can get from smoking 1-2ml of PG or VG is equal to eating that much sugar (1.. maybe 2 grams?) over the entire day, which is nearly nothing. Nicotine on the other hand, has been shone to drastically affect your insulin levels. 50-60% PER “regular strength” cigarette. The thing is, you can easily excess your nic levels with vaporisers because the “hit” is slower coming than with tobacco smoke. If you have increased your nic levels without meaning to, your insulin (and blood glucose) levels would increase SIGNIFICANTLY. With non-diabetic test subjects, blood sugar levels took 1.5-2 hours to reduce back to normal, which diabetic patients took 5-7 hours. That means if you're smoking more than one cig worth of nic per 5-7 hours, your raising your blood pressure about 50% anyway. The “sugar” in your cartridges are hardly what i'd be worried about. I say ween off nic and smoke non-nic for a while, and see how that goes. Nonetheless I will run some tests. will do 90% PG 10% water, 90% VG 10% water, and get the results. If nothing is found, I will have my friend who smokes regular cigs (marlboro red 100's) and do the tests on him. For accuracy I will fast for 8 hours before the test to determine FBS (fasting blood sugar) which is most likely what they used to determine if you had diabetes in the first place. to who posted right before me: also on the PG vs VG thing - Glycerine has been shone to not affect insulin levels while glycol has. so even if PG does affect things drastically - vaping VG will probably do nothing... you could eat buckets of it (and get fat!) but not gain any in the insulin/blood glucose region Last edited by PaulZ; 10-04-2009 at 02:17 AM.

10-10-2009, 04:36 AM	#39
damunster Full Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 125	That is some good info. I do vape alot of 0 nic. I vape alot when I sit at my comp and that is where I vape the 0 nic. And I have been using VG to cut instead of PG and BS has been going down. I also stoped the Starbucks (with syrup). I use a little of the sugar free syrups (in my Starbucks). __________________

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09-19-2009, 07:38 PM	#31
D4Rkk4T Supplier Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 10	I am a type 2 diabetic. Since I quit smoking analogs 5 months ago and recently started vaping, I have found PG does not raise my blood sugar much but VG a bit more. I am currently on Atkins which helps out a great deal and I test myself often.

10-03-2009, 04:16 AM	#33
Luv2CUSmile Super Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NC Posts: 773	I am not in the medical field, nor do I have diabetes but a point to also remember is that the lactic acid break down possible because of the PG- this can be part of it since you can't absorb the sugars properly as you used to- That is sugars in any foods (all food contains some type, even bread, fruit, etc) Lactic acid breaking down, which did enable your body to absorb certain things, can now possibly be keeping you from absorbing properly- causing the sugars to "Lay" in your system- Just a thought- maybe going to non PG- Vg or using a mix of ... Sry I have no ideas- Ia m too new at this myself- Just the thought on lactic acid breakdown- has a lot to do w/ digestion as well- My husband used to be a dietician so I knew that much- LOL Good Luck!

10-03-2009, 10:11 PM	#34
Nestran Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 247	I suppose it is possible that the sugar is an issue but I would not rule out changes to your system from quitting smoking getting you out of whack. Guy at work all of a sudden started to have sugar issues and I was not sure why. He had been on weight watchers for a few weeks and lost some weight. went to the doctor and sure enough, he had to adjust the meds because of the weight loss and new diet. The body is a fine machine and you don't normally witness the subtleties until you make a change. Nestran

10-04-2009, 01:19 AM	#36
PaulZ Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 171	I have access to a, in laments terms, blood-sugar/insulin/etcetc tester machine (hehe) I will go, and get a stable reading then wail on an entire cartridge on my vape, and see what happens. I'll let you all know in a day or so, i'm heading over to the lab for some MI testing on mice, and the equipments in the same room.

10-07-2009, 04:33 AM	#38
PaulZ Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 171	so, tested today. i will give detailed results later but here are general findings: Non-nic PG = minimal raise in BS levels (same as eating 1g of sugar or so.. very minimal.. 5-6% or so after 10 puffs) no increase in Blood pressure Non-Nic VG = No fluctuation beyond normal occurrences (that happen regularly) after smoking an entire 510 cartridge. no increase in blood pressure 1 Regular Marlboro red on a current 2-pack a day smoker (not me) = 52% increase in BG levels and 35% increase in blood pressure immediately took approx 2 hours to return to normal levels on both. 16mg nic 50% pg/VG based solution in a 510 on the "pack a day" smoker after his levels returned to normal = a 59% increase in BG levels (though slower coming than with an analogue) and 43% increase in Blood Pressure. took approx 3 hours to return to normal levels on both. While this is hardly a conclusive test, the general idea is shown: nicotine is what will kill you, analogues will kill you even worse.. as a diabetic. i say, smoke some non-nic and see how it goes for you.

10-10-2009, 04:59 AM	#40
RazorNribbonz Super Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 855	Interesting. I am type 2, and was on oral meds. Until recently my BS level was doing so well he took me off my meds all together...I vape PG 18 mg usually by the way, the sugar free caramel latte's at starbucks are really good ( providing you dont get someone who's heavy handed with the syrup)