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MaryKay · 10-10-2009, 05:03 AM

I posted in this thread a while back. I vape 11mg to 0nic liquid and have had no increase in my sugar testing from vaping. None. I vape most at night while on the computer and I test at 11pm, I am under 150 every night. This has been my normal pattern for almost 6 months. If I was doing something wrong, my 2 or 3 testing a day would show it. The only changes are when I "cheat" with my food intake. My Dr. is thrilled. I am happy she's happy and off my back! My B.P. which has been very high..is now in the low normal range.
I don't know about Nic being so bad for you as a diabetic but since I do vape low amounts I am not worried.
I meant to add that I vape P.G. with about 10 drops of glycerin per 10ml's. I have even tried Glycerin thinned down with distilled water and Lorann's..no difference in blood sugar.
Check Wiki for P.G. and V.G...it states that it will not raise blood sugar.
I am on Insulin and am a type II diabetic.

linnytes · 11-06-2009, 06:26 PM

well I'm a type 1 diabetic and have seen no changes in my numbers since vaping...

punkman · 11-06-2009, 08:06 PM

I am not diabetic but looking at the numbers it would seem to me that the average vaper would not experience much of a problem with the sugar content of the juice. If the juice where 100% sugar which of course it is not the amount consumed per day would be less than a tablespoon. Even at 1/10 concentration which again I doubt the total intake would be less than 1/10th of a teaspoon. 1 tsp is 5 ml and on a heavy vape day I may go through
3 ml of juice so even assuming a 10% concentration I doubt the total sugar dose to be more than a few grams per day.

Valkerie · 11-06-2009, 08:21 PM

I had elevated blood sugar levels before I started vaping. It's gone down 70 points with medication, exercise and a better diet.

ALL of my doctors know I smoke an e-cig and not one of them has ever said anything.

If you want to do a proper test, stop vaping for the 12 hours that you're supposed to be fasting before your doctor does a blood test.

Unfortunately, some people just have high blood sugar levels.

Kempton · 11-07-2009, 09:37 PM

The only thing that raises my blood sugar is a few wobbly pops before supper (well maybe more than a few), or if I eat food groups from the MAD or SAD diet (Modern or Standard American Diet). If you change your eating habits to a more vegan or absolutely vegan your blood sugar should really improve. Best strategy yet for me has been the 30 Diabetes Miracle and the 30 Day Diabetes Miracle Cookbook. I dropped 30 lbs in a couple of months, normal blood sugars and my doctor says she thought I had Type II but everything is normal now. The food is good and gives you more energy plus lowers BS levels substantialy. Books are not expensive at amazon.com

c3902 · 12-01-2009, 06:14 PM

PG by it's self absolutely raises my blood sugars. VG however doesn't so I guess it differs from person to person.

basic_atheist · 12-01-2009, 09:35 PM

To anybody it may concern...

I'm a diabetic also (type 2). I chain drip vape. I use a Smoking Everywhere gold PV and a ePuffer super mini. The E-liquids I'm using right now are from ePuffer. Vanilla and Menthol, both are High dose. I've been vaping since July 1, 2008. So far, so good, vaping does not affect my sugar levels.

As far as I understand, PG does not raise blood sugar levels at any significant amount, especially not by vaping it. You would have to ingest it in large amounts for that to happen. Remember, PG is in food additives, drugs, cosmetics, and antibacterial sanitizers (just to name a few).

Have you ever stood in a room with a fog machine producing very thick smoke? Some of them use PG as the fog solution. Where do you think the E-cig idea came from? An e-cig is a minature fog machine.

There might be some e-liquids out there using sweeteners in the delicious flavors, chocolate, cherry, banana, apple, and the like. And, if you get it on your lips and tongue, then of course it's going to affect blood sugar because you are directly consuming it. But it still shouldn't be causing a drastic change... unless you're drinking the frickin' stuff, or maybe your insulin levels are super whacked.

Also, right after you quit smoking analogs and the carbon monoxide associated with it, your body goes through a chemical rebalancing stage. And I might add that's when I was diagnosed with diabetes with blood sugar levels nearing 300, and I wasn't vaping then. - By the way, it's the carbon monoxide in analogs which cause blood sugar levels to rise. Smoking plus diabetes will kill you for sure... no lie. - Vaping on the other hand is inhaling mostly water vapor. What's in water? Oxygen of course. How do you separate it? By using an electrical current, or by heating it up and allowing it to vaporize into a gas. - Come on Mr. FDA, this is a no brainer. E-cigs are a better alternative! Them and their stupid scare tactics... hummph... I feel like slapping those jerks around a few times myself.

So anyway, something else is causing your blood sugar levels to get jacked. Have you switched to Splenda? It has sugar alcohol in it, which is not good for some diabetics. Large amounts of it in tea is not a good idea... just a FYI there.

Another thing to consider is your diabetic advancement may have occurred during the same time of vaping as a coincidence. It's something we diabetics have to live with. You can slow it's progression, and in some cases bring it to a halt, but you still can't cure it.

Also, I don't know a diabetic yet that doesn't cheat on their diet every once in a while. And some diabetics are STILL eating things they shouldn't, but they do it because they don't know it's hurting them, or they think the meds can "protect" them, which is bull. The diet change (and exercise) is part of the treatment combined with the meds. I can't seem to get my mother to understand that one either. I have to be nearly a vegetarian to control my diabetes, and something with less than 1 g of sugar in it will jack up my level 20 mg/dL in 1.5 hours. So here again, I know vaping doesn't have an affect with that much sensitivity.

Suggestions...

Rethink your diet. Go take diabetes classes. Hospitals and medical arts centers usually have a diabetes counselor who offer free courses in better diabetic control and monitoring. Even if you think you already know your diabetic condition, take the classes anyway. At least learn about the Diabetic Food Pyramid which has 6 food groups.

Exercise, exercise, exercise.... Oh, did I mention Exercise? I hate that word too, but something as simple as a 20 minute fast walk every day can stimulate the natural healing power of the body a great deal.

Also, learn how to vape correctly. If you get the juice directly into your mouth, then you're doing it wrong. Slow and long drags are the key, and don't tilt the device where you have to suck down, always suck upwards... but those are the basics and every vaper should know that by now.

One other note... If you have quit BOTH vaping and cigarettes, or any other tobacco product, then that's awesome. More power to ya! The healthier, the better. To be perfectly honest, nobody should be using nicotine in any form, especially diabetics, heart patients, and people with other cardiovascular disorders. But, if you're severely nicotine dependent and choose to continue using nicotine, then I would have to say that e-cigs are the best route to take.

Anywho... that's just my 2 cents worth... Have a nice day.

mergryphon · 12-01-2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLizinator

I do not pretend to understand anything about this at all, just asking a simple question: why would inhalation of vapor have anything at all to do with metabolizing glucose? Do we get calories/carbs from vaping? Don't you have to ingest calories/carbs to have an impact on your blood glucose levels? Are we all going to chub up because we're vaping glycerin? Yikes!

That was my question, is sugar absorbed through the lungs?

jj2 · 12-01-2009, 10:48 PM

I got a diabetic friend who I wish would start vaping. It certainly would be better than her smoking a pack or more a day.
The worst part is she just went in and had the veins in her legs (yes, both) roto routed and stints put in. Doctor told her to quit because there was nothing more they could do if it got bad again.

c3902 · 12-01-2009, 11:46 PM

PG breaks down into lactic acid, lactic acid reduces the effectiveness of Metformin. So if you're taking Metformin you NEED to pay really close attention to your sugar levels when vaping PG.

Quote:

Originally Posted by basic_atheist

As far as I understand, PG does not raise blood sugar levels at any significant amount, especially not by vaping it.

Every one has different reactions and different tolerances to chemicals. If that wasn't true we'd have a universal medication and dosage to control sugar levels.

To anyone else who may be interested in this stuff, just Google PG and lactic acid, metabolic pathway of lactic acid and Gluconeogenesis.

10-10-2009, 05:03 AM	#41
MaryKay PV Master ECF Veteran Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: St. Cloud Florida Posts: 5,182	I posted in this thread a while back. I vape 11mg to 0nic liquid and have had no increase in my sugar testing from vaping. None. I vape most at night while on the computer and I test at 11pm, I am under 150 every night. This has been my normal pattern for almost 6 months. If I was doing something wrong, my 2 or 3 testing a day would show it. The only changes are when I "cheat" with my food intake. My Dr. is thrilled. I am happy she's happy and off my back! My B.P. which has been very high..is now in the low normal range. I don't know about Nic being so bad for you as a diabetic but since I do vape low amounts I am not worried. I meant to add that I vape P.G. with about 10 drops of glycerin per 10ml's. I have even tried Glycerin thinned down with distilled water and Lorann's..no difference in blood sugar. Check Wiki for P.G. and V.G...it states that it will not raise blood sugar. I am on Insulin and am a type II diabetic. __________________ Mary, free:4-17-09 The Women's Room & Wrecked & Bonkers Last edited by MaryKay; 10-10-2009 at 05:05 AM.

11-06-2009, 08:21 PM	#44
Valkerie Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Lincoln Park, NJ Posts: 243	I had elevated blood sugar levels before I started vaping. It's gone down 70 points with medication, exercise and a better diet. ALL of my doctors know I smoke an e-cig and not one of them has ever said anything. If you want to do a proper test, stop vaping for the 12 hours that you're supposed to be fasting before your doctor does a blood test. Unfortunately, some people just have high blood sugar levels. __________________ Last edited by Valkerie; 11-06-2009 at 08:29 PM. Reason: spelling

11-07-2009, 09:37 PM	#45
Kempton Full Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 110	Doesn't my blood sugar The only thing that raises my blood sugar is a few wobbly pops before supper (well maybe more than a few), or if I eat food groups from the MAD or SAD diet (Modern or Standard American Diet). If you change your eating habits to a more vegan or absolutely vegan your blood sugar should really improve. Best strategy yet for me has been the 30 Diabetes Miracle and the 30 Day Diabetes Miracle Cookbook. I dropped 30 lbs in a couple of months, normal blood sugars and my doctor says she thought I had Type II but everything is normal now. The food is good and gives you more energy plus lowers BS levels substantialy. Books are not expensive at amazon.com __________________ Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill.

12-01-2009, 10:48 PM	#49
jj2 Ultra Member ECF Veteran Join Date: May 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,514	I got a diabetic friend who I wish would start vaping. It certainly would be better than her smoking a pack or more a day. The worst part is she just went in and had the veins in her legs (yes, both) roto routed and stints put in. Doctor told her to quit because there was nothing more they could do if it got bad again. __________________ Tigger & PVs are the best. Smoke free since mid March 2009.

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11-06-2009, 06:26 PM	#42
linnytes Full Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 11 Tweet this post!	well I'm a type 1 diabetic and have seen no changes in my numbers since vaping...

11-06-2009, 08:06 PM	#43
punkman Full Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 55	I am not diabetic but looking at the numbers it would seem to me that the average vaper would not experience much of a problem with the sugar content of the juice. If the juice where 100% sugar which of course it is not the amount consumed per day would be less than a tablespoon. Even at 1/10 concentration which again I doubt the total intake would be less than 1/10th of a teaspoon. 1 tsp is 5 ml and on a heavy vape day I may go through 3 ml of juice so even assuming a 10% concentration I doubt the total sugar dose to be more than a few grams per day.

12-01-2009, 06:14 PM	#46
c3902 Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 6	PG by it's self absolutely raises my blood sugars. VG however doesn't so I guess it differs from person to person.

12-01-2009, 09:35 PM	#47
basic_atheist Full Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NC, USA Posts: 69	To anybody it may concern... I'm a diabetic also (type 2). I chain drip vape. I use a Smoking Everywhere gold PV and a ePuffer super mini. The E-liquids I'm using right now are from ePuffer. Vanilla and Menthol, both are High dose. I've been vaping since July 1, 2008. So far, so good, vaping does not affect my sugar levels. As far as I understand, PG does not raise blood sugar levels at any significant amount, especially not by vaping it. You would have to ingest it in large amounts for that to happen. Remember, PG is in food additives, drugs, cosmetics, and antibacterial sanitizers (just to name a few). Have you ever stood in a room with a fog machine producing very thick smoke? Some of them use PG as the fog solution. Where do you think the E-cig idea came from? An e-cig is a minature fog machine. There might be some e-liquids out there using sweeteners in the delicious flavors, chocolate, cherry, banana, apple, and the like. And, if you get it on your lips and tongue, then of course it's going to affect blood sugar because you are directly consuming it. But it still shouldn't be causing a drastic change... unless you're drinking the frickin' stuff, or maybe your insulin levels are super whacked. Also, right after you quit smoking analogs and the carbon monoxide associated with it, your body goes through a chemical rebalancing stage. And I might add that's when I was diagnosed with diabetes with blood sugar levels nearing 300, and I wasn't vaping then. - By the way, it's the carbon monoxide in analogs which cause blood sugar levels to rise. Smoking plus diabetes will kill you for sure... no lie. - Vaping on the other hand is inhaling mostly water vapor. What's in water? Oxygen of course. How do you separate it? By using an electrical current, or by heating it up and allowing it to vaporize into a gas. - Come on Mr. FDA, this is a no brainer. E-cigs are a better alternative! Them and their stupid scare tactics... hummph... I feel like slapping those jerks around a few times myself. So anyway, something else is causing your blood sugar levels to get jacked. Have you switched to Splenda? It has sugar alcohol in it, which is not good for some diabetics. Large amounts of it in tea is not a good idea... just a FYI there. Another thing to consider is your diabetic advancement may have occurred during the same time of vaping as a coincidence. It's something we diabetics have to live with. You can slow it's progression, and in some cases bring it to a halt, but you still can't cure it. Also, I don't know a diabetic yet that doesn't cheat on their diet every once in a while. And some diabetics are STILL eating things they shouldn't, but they do it because they don't know it's hurting them, or they think the meds can "protect" them, which is bull. The diet change (and exercise) is part of the treatment combined with the meds. I can't seem to get my mother to understand that one either. I have to be nearly a vegetarian to control my diabetes, and something with less than 1 g of sugar in it will jack up my level 20 mg/dL in 1.5 hours. So here again, I know vaping doesn't have an affect with that much sensitivity. Suggestions... Rethink your diet. Go take diabetes classes. Hospitals and medical arts centers usually have a diabetes counselor who offer free courses in better diabetic control and monitoring. Even if you think you already know your diabetic condition, take the classes anyway. At least learn about the Diabetic Food Pyramid which has 6 food groups. Exercise, exercise, exercise.... Oh, did I mention Exercise? I hate that word too, but something as simple as a 20 minute fast walk every day can stimulate the natural healing power of the body a great deal. Also, learn how to vape correctly. If you get the juice directly into your mouth, then you're doing it wrong. Slow and long drags are the key, and don't tilt the device where you have to suck down, always suck upwards... but those are the basics and every vaper should know that by now. One other note... If you have quit BOTH vaping and cigarettes, or any other tobacco product, then that's awesome. More power to ya! The healthier, the better. To be perfectly honest, nobody should be using nicotine in any form, especially diabetics, heart patients, and people with other cardiovascular disorders. But, if you're severely nicotine dependent and choose to continue using nicotine, then I would have to say that e-cigs are the best route to take. Anywho... that's just my 2 cents worth... Have a nice day.