Antifreeze (tired of hearing this)

[Mach10X]

Did you know that the FDA allows for certain concentrations of Diethylene Glycol (DEG) in products as safe. I believe that the amount of DEG found in the study were withing FDA regulations.

@zazz
Or you can be like George Carlin.
Since he was such a great comedian (rest in peace), here's the bit I'm referring to:

A lot of people worry that their drinking water isn't safe, because it contains things that cause cancer. Not me. I don't care if the water is safe or not, I drink it anyway. You know why? Because I'm an American, and I expect a little cancer in my water. I'm a loyal citizen and I'm not happy unless government and industry have poisoned me a little every day.

Besides, cancer never hurt anybody. People need a little cancer. It's good for you; it keeps you on your toes. I ain't afraid of cancer, I had broccoli for lunch. Broccoli kills cancer. A lot of people don't know that. It's not out yet.

It's true. You find out you got some cancer, get yourself a ......in' bowl of broccoli. That'll wipe it right out. Cauliflower, too. Cauliflower kills the really big cancers, the ones you can see from across the street through heavy clothing. Broccoli kills the little ones, the ones that are slowly eating you away from the inside. While your goofy, half-educated dotor keeps telling you, "You're doin' fine, Jim."

In fact, bring your doctor a bowl of broccoli, he's probably got cancer too. Probably picked it up from you. They don't know what they're doing. It's all guesswork in a white coat. What you gotta try to do is develop more than on kind of cancer, so you can turn 'em against one another. That's what you gotta hope for: that the cancers eat each other up instead of you. Fact is, the way I look at it, the more cancer you got, the healthier you are.

[evil1rox]

Did you tell those people that it was just water??? I'd have loved to reveal that fact to people and watch their reactions when they feel utterly idiotic

Dihydrogen Monoxide is a fun thing to train people on. I work in the water and waste water industry.

When my trainees start to get the "glazed" expression on their mugs i scare the bejezus out of them with the dihydro. (I let it stew until the end of the seminar too unless someone calls me out on it. )

All things being equal are there e-liquids that don't use propylene glycol..??

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[jen28f]

Water is also an ingredient in anti freeze. So it must be bad. Everyone stop using it now until it receives FDA approval.

[P4C0]

Hello all,

Ethylene glycol and Diethylene glycol are both toxics and should be avoided. Regarding the wrong use of DEG there was a death sentence in China. (they were exporting DEG as PG)

Of course with anything else in low amounts it should be safe (check toxicity levels for both on wiki).

On the other hand Propylene glycol is (until now) safe and widely used.

So I supposed that if the FDA found DEG in one cart it must be due to factory issues, low quality standards, a leak during the process or something like that... Also it's possible that they mix it with PG to get more of it (I supposed DEG should be cheaper than PG).

Do we know the brand of the cart where they found DEG? if so IMHO the best is to avoid that provider (and anything that comes from their factories)...