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BadSeed · 11-04-2008, 09:18 PM

Definitely less. I have one real cigarette left in the current pack I've got. I bought that pack on Friday! Considering I was a 20 a day smoker before getting my first e-cig it must be doing something for me.

I'll see whether I bother to buy another pack tomorrow. I'll probably have that last one tomorrow morning when I get up.

jigtg · 11-05-2008, 11:15 PM

I would give a thumbs up for pipes.
Reasoning:
-pipe smoking is heathier than cigarettes(around half of the loss in life expectancy I figure)
-since you dont inhale pipe smoke, you get more kick from e-cigs if you dual use
-you get to cut down the e-cig symptoms(no inhaling) in more sane manner

So pipe and e-cigs dual used would still be 4 times heathier than cigs assuming
e-cigs are safe so to speak. Well there is actually some supposed evidence
that less than 5 pipe bowls per day is actually healthier than non-smoking but
I'm not exactly buying that. I'd still call that a pretty good compromise.

Pipe smoking takes more time which can be a good or bad thing. Perhaps the
biggest obstacle to overcome is the tongue bite. I figure it takes several weeks
of casual puffing to get adjusted.

TropicalBob · 11-06-2008, 12:05 AM

Jigtg, I do just that (but many women will not consider a pipe!). I smoke 3 to 4 pipefuls a day, and use the e-cig when I'm at the computer. I do not inhale the pipe, or the less frequent cigar.

Reader's Digest had a blockbuster story many years ago about pipe smokers outliving even non-smokers. Calmer heads figured out it's the personality of the pipe smoker that contributes to longer life, not anything in the smoke. Ever seen a stressed-out pipe smoker? NO. Emphatically no. Cigarette smokers are stressed -- shivering and sucking furiously in cold air. They light up at every stressful moment. They view smoking as a stress reliever -- precisely because they have stressful personalities. And stress kills. As surely as smoke, stress subtracts years from a life and worsens the years of life left.

Pipe smokers have rituals. Calming rituals. Packing a pipe is an art. Keeping it lit but not blisteringly hot takes time to learn. And finding the right pipe tobacco can take a lifetime. A serious pipe smoker often becomes a collector, picking representative pipes of an era. It soon becomes a hobby to share with others of like mind. Visit an old time tobacco shop (they're being lost, sadly) and talk pipe tobacco with the owner.

It's the taste and feel of pipe smoke that I covet, as well as the relaxation. No vapor can duplicate that taste and mouth feel. I like e-smoking, but it can't duplicate the pleasure a good pipe brings.

bghouse · 11-10-2008, 02:56 AM

So is the trigger to go for a real cig different for everyone then? I really want to figure out what makes me crave that real smoke. I thought I had made it today - no cravings in the morning, none after meals - but sitting here tonight watching tv I just couldn't make it and had to smoke 1 real cig.

Tasted awful while I was doing it, but I smoked it to the bone. I had my e-cig, and was trying to get through it - but there was this anxiety I couldn't shake until I lit a cig.

I know that I should concentrate on the fact that I'd normally have smoke 40 cigs today and only smoked 1 - but I still wish I knew what my body thinks it's missing.... sigh...

Kimmiegrif · 11-10-2008, 03:17 AM

I miss the burning tabacco sometimes, but there is no way, that I would smoke in my house, living with a hubby that detests burning tabacco smell, so I figure, go outside and smoke the sinky yucky cigs and feel guilty for doing it, or sit in front of my tv and vap away...

Kate · 11-10-2008, 10:00 AM

There is an intake of carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide when inhaling smoke that doesn't happen with vapour. This reduces oxygen in the blood and is what gives the dizzy feeling when you smoke a cig quickly. So what you might be missing is the feeling that lack of oxygen to your brain gives?

TropicalBob · 11-10-2008, 02:01 PM

There is a thread somewhere here noting that burning tobacco produces a chemical called harmine, which holds the euphoric kick of dopamine and seratonin (the "feel good" chemicals) that are produced when nicotine reaches the brain. Our vapor does NOT contain harmine and that might explain the unique pleasure derived from inhaling tobacco smoke. For those addicted to the pleasures of smoking, the missing harmine might explain why e-vapor fails to completely satisfy, even when lots of nicotine is inhaled. For sure, SOMETHING is missing. Seems to me that a top-notch chemist could figure a way to add just the right amount of harmine to e-liquid.

Like others here, I want my euphoria back but I don't want to have to inhale carcinogenic tars to get it!

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11-04-2008, 09:18 PM	#21
BadSeed Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Maidenhead, UK Posts: 629	Definitely less. I have one real cigarette left in the current pack I've got. I bought that pack on Friday! Considering I was a 20 a day smoker before getting my first e-cig it must be doing something for me. I'll see whether I bother to buy another pack tomorrow. I'll probably have that last one tomorrow morning when I get up.

11-05-2008, 11:15 PM	#22
jigtg Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sparta, Greece Posts: 328	I would give a thumbs up for pipes. Reasoning: -pipe smoking is heathier than cigarettes(around half of the loss in life expectancy I figure) -since you dont inhale pipe smoke, you get more kick from e-cigs if you dual use -you get to cut down the e-cig symptoms(no inhaling) in more sane manner So pipe and e-cigs dual used would still be 4 times heathier than cigs assuming e-cigs are safe so to speak. Well there is actually some supposed evidence that less than 5 pipe bowls per day is actually healthier than non-smoking but I'm not exactly buying that. I'd still call that a pretty good compromise. Pipe smoking takes more time which can be a good or bad thing. Perhaps the biggest obstacle to overcome is the tongue bite. I figure it takes several weeks of casual puffing to get adjusted.

11-06-2008, 12:05 AM	#23
TropicalBob PV Master ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 5,466	Jigtg, I do just that (but many women will not consider a pipe!). I smoke 3 to 4 pipefuls a day, and use the e-cig when I'm at the computer. I do not inhale the pipe, or the less frequent cigar. Reader's Digest had a blockbuster story many years ago about pipe smokers outliving even non-smokers. Calmer heads figured out it's the personality of the pipe smoker that contributes to longer life, not anything in the smoke. Ever seen a stressed-out pipe smoker? NO. Emphatically no. Cigarette smokers are stressed -- shivering and sucking furiously in cold air. They light up at every stressful moment. They view smoking as a stress reliever -- precisely because they have stressful personalities. And stress kills. As surely as smoke, stress subtracts years from a life and worsens the years of life left. Pipe smokers have rituals. Calming rituals. Packing a pipe is an art. Keeping it lit but not blisteringly hot takes time to learn. And finding the right pipe tobacco can take a lifetime. A serious pipe smoker often becomes a collector, picking representative pipes of an era. It soon becomes a hobby to share with others of like mind. Visit an old time tobacco shop (they're being lost, sadly) and talk pipe tobacco with the owner. It's the taste and feel of pipe smoke that I covet, as well as the relaxation. No vapor can duplicate that taste and mouth feel. I like e-smoking, but it can't duplicate the pleasure a good pipe brings.

11-10-2008, 02:56 AM	#24
bghouse Full Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: California, USA Posts: 27	So is the trigger to go for a real cig different for everyone then? I really want to figure out what makes me crave that real smoke. I thought I had made it today - no cravings in the morning, none after meals - but sitting here tonight watching tv I just couldn't make it and had to smoke 1 real cig. Tasted awful while I was doing it, but I smoked it to the bone. I had my e-cig, and was trying to get through it - but there was this anxiety I couldn't shake until I lit a cig. I know that I should concentrate on the fact that I'd normally have smoke 40 cigs today and only smoked 1 - but I still wish I knew what my body thinks it's missing.... sigh...

11-10-2008, 03:17 AM	#25
Kimmiegrif Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Maryland/Florida USA Posts: 604	I miss the burning tabacco sometimes, but there is no way, that I would smoke in my house, living with a hubby that detests burning tabacco smell, so I figure, go outside and smoke the sinky yucky cigs and feel guilty for doing it, or sit in front of my tv and vap away...

11-10-2008, 10:00 AM	#26
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,336	There is an intake of carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide when inhaling smoke that doesn't happen with vapour. This reduces oxygen in the blood and is what gives the dizzy feeling when you smoke a cig quickly. So what you might be missing is the feeling that lack of oxygen to your brain gives?

11-10-2008, 02:01 PM	#27
TropicalBob PV Master ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 5,466	There is a thread somewhere here noting that burning tobacco produces a chemical called harmine, which holds the euphoric kick of dopamine and seratonin (the "feel good" chemicals) that are produced when nicotine reaches the brain. Our vapor does NOT contain harmine and that might explain the unique pleasure derived from inhaling tobacco smoke. For those addicted to the pleasures of smoking, the missing harmine might explain why e-vapor fails to completely satisfy, even when lots of nicotine is inhaled. For sure, SOMETHING is missing. Seems to me that a top-notch chemist could figure a way to add just the right amount of harmine to e-liquid. Like others here, I want my euphoria back but I don't want to have to inhale carcinogenic tars to get it!