bad stomach problems

[dawghouse]

Dawghouse, you have what is called an underlying condition, so your experience is not applicable to most people. Do keep in mind that people like myself spend most of every day with a pouch of pure tobacco snus between our cheek and gum. We swallow all the time, surely massive amounts of nicotine that our gastrointestinal systems handle without so much as a hiccup.

Your condition is the problem, not e-smoking, which delivers very little nicotine to your stomach/intestines. No one is suggesting drinking e-liquid (which is not "juice") but swallowing a small amount should never bother a person without your problem. This problem did not show up on tests in New Zealand and Malaysia.

You might not get relief until you discontinue ingesting nicotine.

I agree. Unfortunately reflux is a very common problem. The key for me given my sensitivity is to find the right method and/or right mix of eliquid as analogs isn't an alternative.

[schadoe]

I know people hate seeing this, and yes i know it is acute, but there are so many with stomach issues, i thought I would post it. The tests I have seen on pg have been on fog machines where the pg content was 10 % , we are doing more like 90 % pg as opposed to 10%. They sat in a room filled with the mist as they call it, for 15 min to an hour. We inhale it all day long.

I am still vaping, but no one here on the forums or anywhere else knows for sure what this is doing to us. I still believe it is better than regular smokes. It cannot be said it is safe, or that vaping can't cause that, because we do not know.

Special Remarks on Chronic Effects on Humans:

p. 4
May affect genetic material (mutagenic).
May cause adverse reproductive effects and birth defects (teratogenic) based on animal test data.

Special Remarks on other Toxic Effects on Humans:

Acute Potential Health Effects:
Skin: May cause mild skin irritation. It may be absorbed through the skin and cause systemic effects similar to
those of ingestion.
Eyes: May cause mild eye irritation with some immediate, transitory stinging, lacrimation, blepharospasm, and
mild transient conjunctival hyperemia. There is no residual discomfort or injury once it is washed away.
Inhalation: May cause respiratory tract irritation.
Ingestion: It may cause gastrointestinal tract irritation. It may affect behavior/central nervous system(CNS
depression, general anesthetic, convulsions, seizures, somnolence, stupor, muscle contraction or spasticity,
coma), brain (changes in surface EEG), metabolism, blood (intravascular hemolysis, white blood cells - decreased
neutrophil function), respiration (respiratory stimulation, chronic pulmonary edema, cyanosis), cardiovascular
system(hypotension, bradycardia, arrhythmias, cardiac arrest), endocrine system (hypoglycemia), urinary system
(kidneys), and liver.
Chronic Potential Health Effects:
Skin: Prolonged or repeated skin contact may cause allergic contact dermatitis.
Ingestion: Prolonged or repeated ingestion may cause hyperglycemia and may affect behavior/CNS (symptoms
similar to that of acute ingestion).
Inhalation: Prolonged or repeated inhalation may affect behavior/CNS (with symptoms similar to ingestion), and

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[four2109]

Thanks for posting schadoe. Can you post a link for reference.
You're right, we don't know. We aren't even lab rats, there is no lab. Just rats.

[martha1014]

I also have developed acid reflux. I have always had stomach problems including ulcers. This was controlled on Prilosec and never had a problem until I started vaping. I know this causes it but I just keep on vaping and keep a bottle of Maalox around.

[schadoe]

http://people.ok.ubc.ca/creative/CSm...)MSDS.2008.pdf

this is the link for the msds sheet, but i did not save the ones on the tests from neb and fog machine. i think i found them here on forums. Most people do not see that the amount used in the tests is far different from what we are using. 10% and 50% when we use 90% pg. There are also tests that show pg skin contact makes the skin area able to absorb chemicals, and medications easier. That is why it was used in nebs to get mediactions into lungs. I would avoid smoking analogs after vaping as your lungs may absorb more of the 4000 harmfull checmicals even more than before vaping. If I have to have an analog, I make sure to smoke it first and then vape after. The best thing would be to just not smoke the analog, and i am almost there.

There was also tests done showing that pg vapor killed germs, and protected from some illness. Who knows for sure. I just know I feel better than when i smoked burnt leaves.

[schadoe]

Some people state the huge amount listed on the ld50. i worked at a pest control company for 11 years in my youth, and ld50 does not mean what most think it does. it is the amount needed to kill 50 % of those that would be exposed to that amount. So the huge amounts listed as ld50 is what would kill 50 out of 100 people, it is not the amount needed to cause 50 % to have stomach problems, or migranes, or throat problems, or lung problems. As the determing factor of toxcity suggests, not everyone reacts the same to chemicals. that is why they use LD50 50 out of 100 live and 50 die on the same dosage.

What does LD50 mean?

LD stands for "Lethal Dose". LD50 is the amount of a material, given all at once, which causes the death of 50% (one half) of a group of test animals. The LD50 is one way to measure the short-term poisoning potential (acute toxicity) of a material.

what we really need to see is the LC50 of our liquid

What does LC50 mean?

LC stands for "Lethal Concentration". LC values usually refer to the concentration of a chemical in air but in environmental studies it can also mean the concentration of a chemical in water.

For inhalation experiments, the concentration of the chemical in air that kills 50% of the test animals in a given time (usually four hours) is the LC50 value.

on the above msds sheet the lc50 is listed below.

Ecotoxicity:
Ecotoxicity in water (LC50): >5000 mg/l 24 hours [Goldfish]. >10000 mg/l 48 hours [guppy]. >10000 mg/l 48
hours [water flea].

i have sen posts about no fleas after vaping. this would mean that 10 thousand mg/l would have to have been used for 48 hours straight to kill 50 % of the fleas. The problem is that the tests are done using death rate at 50 %, LD50/LC50, so a much lower dosage could cause problems for small percantages of people.