Glycerine/Glycol And Teeth/Gum Threat?

[steel23]

It was the discussions I read about the harms of even glycerine within many simple tooth pastes as a no-no(go figure!) along with a loosening tooth and receding gume line, that caused me to wonder about filtering glycol and glycerine through the mouth and teeth. As I read the deal, brushing with toothpaste in itself deposits glycerine, and the recommendations was to replace toothpaste with actual soap amongst other things!
SB

Hi everyone. Dr Steel23 here.
I just found this thread and would like to comment. As in all medical fields, there is often a large discrepancy between the "holistic approaches" and true evidence-based clinical practice.

The information you have been reading is, unfortunately, anecdotal at best and drivel at worst. The man with the PhD who preaches it is a joke who I'd guess holds stock in the soap that he wants you to brush with.

Glycerin in toothpaste does NOT recede your gumline or ruin your teeth. Nor does it leach fillings or loosen teeth. Glycerin in oral products is used mainly for its lubricating properties with no ill effect. As one small example, my oral surgeon colleague and I often treat radiation patients suffering extreme dry mouth due to a complete loss of their salivary gland function. We supplement their treatment with a water/glycerine mixture and combined with proper hygiene, their oral improvement is rapid.

But glycerin is not the demon you believe it to be. Your loosening tooth and receding gum line are from other problems. See your dentist.

On the suggest of vaping, I can’t give you long-term data because there is none. I am also unaware that vaping would dehydrate you. But if you insist on vaping and find that it dries your mouth severely, ask your dentist for a bottle of Biotene (which coincidentally, also has PG in it) and rinse with it periodically. It won't hurt you.

Hope this helps.
Steel23

[Mentholgirl]

I just looked of VG on Wikepedia and found some interesting facts:
A quote from wikepedia :
Although it has about the same food energy as table sugar, it does not raise blood sugar levels, nor does it feed the bacteria that form plaques and cause dental cavities

It can be used orally to eliminate halitosis, as it is a contact bacterial desiccant.[Needs footnote.] The same property makes it very helpful with periodontal disease; it penetrates biofilm quickly and eliminates bacterial colonies.[Needs footnote.]

Well that sounds like good news, it helps with bad breath and periodontal disease and helps eliminate bacteria!!

[Paranoyed]

Also from what I have read you should be more concerned about soft drinks. I drink plenty of water and I use the Purple Listerine twice daily to kill any bacteria in my mouth and throat. It helps with the dry itchy throat as well.

[Shining Wit]

I posted this is another thread, but feel it deserves more exposure, so here it is at the top.

I have just spent a lot of time reading about tooth regeneration, tooth looseness and causes of gum disease, and one of the things repeatedly warned against was glycerine, which is added to most toothpastes. Glycerine supposedly leaves a coating on the tooth and pushes away the gum line. I've been vaping for about 4 months, using PG based juice, and draw off of the right side of my mouth, now I notice that I have more recession of the gum line on those teeth right in line with the vapor during draw. Another thing brought up again and again is the drying out conditions in the mouth causing gum hygiene to suffer, and we all know that vaping does dehydrate you. As much as I hate to ask a counter productive question about vaping, "Is it attacking out teeth and gums, especially the VG base?" If so, is there methods to counteract whatever dings the vapor might inflict?

I know it's a bad time to be suggesting anything but the positive of vaping and health, but I had to ask this question. Bob

You've answered your own question......you said that Glycerine can damage gums but that you've been vaping Propylene Glycol based liquid for 4 months so either you CAN have your cake and eat it OR it's the worry that's making your teeth drop out!
John.

[MissVapor]

I was watching Dr Oz the other day and he was showing people who smoked crystal meth and how all there teeth were falling out. (meth mouths) He said the reasoning behind it was b/c the meth was drying out their mouths... I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing started happening with glycerin or pg..

[steel23]

I was watching Dr Oz the other day and he was showing people who smoked crystal meth and how all there teeth were falling out. (meth mouths) He said the reasoning behind it was b/c the meth was drying out their mouths... I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing started happening with glycerin or pg..

I treat meth mouth regularly. It is a terribly devastating condition and occurs for many reasons.
No, the same does not happen due to glycerin or PG. As I mentioned several posts ago, these products are placed in oral care products to help moisturize and lubricate your mouth.

Dr. Steel23

[Kurt]

I treat meth mouth regularly. It is a terribly devastating condition and occurs for many reasons.
No, the same does not happen due to glycerin or PG. As I mentioned several posts ago, these products are placed in oral care products to help moisturize and lubricate your mouth.

Dr. Steel23

Many thanks for your comments Steel23! We need more professional medical/dental opinions here, for sure. Just before I started vaping I thought I had a tooth wanting to come out, or with some sort of gum issue. That is all healed now after vaping for 2 months or so. In fact, MANY things throughout my body are healing now that were problems before.

I use VG only juices, and if anything the VG is moisturizing my mouth, not drying it out. PG, OTOH, does dry my mouth out a lot...or it seemed to when I was using it, but I only used it a few times before I switched to VG.

I'm sure the meth issue is a far more complicated and systemic problem than topical VG or PG. Much gets screwed up physiologically with meth. Users often get awful sores on their faces too.

[thewomenfolk]

Can we please try to avoid using the term 'dentist' here. It makes my teeth cringe.

[BlueSun]

My dentist* wasn't pleased with my e-cig when I told him it had PG in it.

* Sorry, thewomenfolk!

[Vaporista]

Is there a necessity for increased oral care because the mouthpiece introduces more bacteria -much more so than analogs and unlike pipe smokers, vapers tend to use the mouthpiece for far longer periods so combined with PG are we in fact getting more bacteria into the mouth?I guess what I am trying to say is do we need to clean our teeth more often now that we vape and do we need to soak mouthpieces in a disinfect solution when these are not being used?- like overnight,