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Everyone is right about something here .. However when you have multiple issues its hard to rule out what is what? Is it detox withdrawal symptoms? or reactions from some sort of intolerance ?
Most folks cant believe the symptoms the body can produce. Esp when going though withdrawals. Of course they are real esp when when body is going though major detox through the process of getting over a major addiction. Your brain is very powerful tool and can come up with many reasons and side effects on letting go of the smokes . I had 45 days of hell IMO a perfect storm for crashing .. In short . Too quick too fast cutting my 30 yr PAD habit down ... Lack of WTA and on top of I Had a MAJOR Withdrawals of every kind.( they did not stop only got worse....... ) .On top of that had MAJOR reactions to PG or an juice containing a small % PG .. Was imposable to rule out completely till I finial got that out of equation . Was a living Hell.... Took me 40 days to sort out what was what .. But than for me it was too late . Long story
You guys have no idea what I went through w/ vaping stuff that didn't agree with me. And allot of you folks tried to help and put up with me. THANKS GUYS esp the ones who personalty reached out. Some folks thought I was Not for real..... Lots of Major withdrawal symptoms, all the while of not getting any WTA's . It was over 30 days no WTA's ... By the time I realized what was going on too late than I crashed . At that point I was 2 months in quit mode cut my SMOKING IN HALF..down %70 ..down %80 down to none.... and even smoke free for about 7 days but then I crashed .. Btw I have not returned to baseline yet... wish me luck when I try again... . thanks for listening . Sorry to jump on this thread but love to hear a few responses to my comments if and when I give it another whirl...
One other thing I was wondering has anyone who has tried to quit had some bad withdraws , perhaps crashed or had a breakdown during the process. , if so then after they realized or felt like something chemically changed?
If that has happened to anyone reading how long did it take for you to go back to baseline?
Thanks so much Guys
Be well Happy New Years Fellow vapers you guys/ gals are a great support group.
Wow. I had no idea it was so difficult for some people.
Sknr1, I suggest that you try switching to some RYO cigarettes for a while. Just make sure to use an organic tobacco, like American Spirit in the light blue can or pouch. I used a cheapo Top roller, Top papers, and Premier brand filters. These have the nicotine you need, they are a real cigarette, and they taste good (as good as a stinky can). The difference is that the additional chemicals that keep you hooked on smoking aren't in there. I made that switch after 27 years of smoking. When I switched to RYO, I had withdrawals (from all of the other stuff in cigarettes). It was quite hard to believe. I'd be driving down the road smoking, and have the urge to pull into a gas station to pick up a pack of Marlboro lights. Fortunately, I did not do that. In about a week, the withdrawals went away. When I switched to vaping, I had no problems whatsoever.
This would be a good way for you to determine if it is the act of quitting, or the act of vaping that is causing you problems.
[QUOTE=MD_Boater;11751232]Wow. I had no idea it was so difficult for some people.
I didn't either Boater! I guess I can count my blessings again. Stopped smoking the day I started vaping after 30 plus years of smoking. Never looked back....been at it for almost four yrs and have no plans to stop.
I'll be the first to admit that I crashed. I was a PAD for 12 years and then I simply up and quit. I went through minor withdrawal and then it went away shortly (5-6 days). I got really into vaping and all the gadgets and really enjoyed it. Then my grandmother passed away and I just lost all of my self control in everything. We were close and that might be why I had such an adverse reaction but I just got frustrated and started smoking about 6 months in. I'm now back to baseline and haven't touched an analog in over 8 months but I did crash. It wasn't a failure as far as I see it, just an obstacle to overcome.
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I think for some of us, especially long time smokers ( I was an almost a pack and half a day for 35 years) the withdrawal from smoking can be pretty severe. For me, the chemical changes have been pretty bad at times. I've gone through a number of bouts of severe anxiety, insomnia headaches, to name a few. At about a month in, I thought I was allergic to, PG but even though I was drinking enough water, when I increased my water intake, I was fine with PG.
IMO, there's a lot of reactions and symptoms that people blame on vaping but it's more likely due to all the changes our bodies are going through because of quitting cigarettes. Not all...but I think people don't realized what the toxins in cigarettes have done to our systems from years of smoking and when we stop that, it puts extraordinary stress on our bodies. And the adjustment just doesn't happen in a few weeks or even months.
The bottom line is that quitting cigarettes is a MAJOR adjustment....physically and psychologically. And for many, you just don't feel all that great for a long time. Personally, I'm still waiting to get there. But I don't want to go back to smoking. It just takes time.
No, it certainly isn't for everybody. One woman I know had to stop vaping as the mouth feel and actions strongly resembled those of an illegal substance we can't mention here. Every time she vaped she felt the desire to use.
That was one failed quit I endorsed whole-heartedly. I'd rather see her smoke than slip.
There are some people who can't tolerate PG, though. Most can use VG, but VG has its own challenges.
I'd still advocate for that, but realize it would be pretty darn challenging now that you've stayed away from vaping and made up your mind that vaping (chemicals) are source of what ails you.
Best wishes to you going forward and hope good health finds you in whatever you choose to do.