Toxicology Report

[riddle80]

I guess these are the ingredients. Not good if so...

During the (currently week-long [haha now 2 weeks]) process of combing through countless lengthy chemical study reports and testing data, I rapidly noticed a trend that many of the tested e-liquids had quantities of tobacco-specific cancerous/mutagenic/toxic chemicals found in it, and many of the untested recipes say on the ingredient list things like “Tobacco Essence” that are likely just a single solvent extraction from tobacco leaves

He's claiming that "tobacco essences" contain chemicals from cigarettes. This seems to be a pretty big deal here. Satire, do you have the report on the ingredient breakdowns that state this?

[dc2k08]

All the good stuff's been collated and added to report.rtf, the rest are references.

Well here's that one
report

[NicoNut]

Man! Maybe I should have read this BEFORE shopping this am! My head, sinuses, throat, lungs and eyes all hurt reading this! I've not even invested a whole week with ecigs yet, should I quit while I'm ahead?! or while I still have a head?! Sure don't want to go back to analogs though.

[TropicalBob]

Just an awesome research job, Satire. Many thanks.

Questions: Do you still e-smoke commercial e-liquid? Is your final conclusion that vaping commercial liquid is (1) Potentially very risky, or (2) Seemingly safe with what we now know, or (3) A leap of unsupported faith, with too many unknowns to even hazard an educated guess?

By the way, this research doesn't exactly inspire confidence in what we're doing, does it? If nothing else, it screams "Make no health claims" to every maker of liquid.

And if smoking cigarettes is like spinning the chamber of a six-shooter with three bullets in it, then e-smoking is spinning the chamber and not knowing how many bullets are in there! But bullets there are.

[GabbyD]

Yeah, that unnerved me a bit and I also wanted to ask Satire if he's still e-smoking, and more importantly, what brand of juice?

[Keltrey]

Thank you Satire for putting all the time and effort you have into your report. It really gives you some food for thought.

I really liked your section on PG vs VG.

Keep up the good work, hopefully more folks with a chemistry background will do more research as well. The more info we have the better choices we can make.

[smoking gnu]

Yes I also liked the PG v VG bit, its just the rest of it that scares the sh** out of me!
Now where did I put that nicotine gum. LOL

[Frankie]

I mean, anybody who wants this stuff banned needs just to verify the results and poof! e-cigs are a thing of the past.

Gum, you are saying, Gnu? Probably not the worst idea health-wise...

[Mr.Darcy]

that must have taken some time and effort satire...nice one...

its a grim read...

[smoking gnu]

I mean, anybody who wants this stuff banned needs just to verify the results and poof! e-cigs are a thing of the past.

Gum, you are saying, Gnu? Probably not the worst idea health-wise...

Yes Frankie, I quite like a bit of nicotine gum I find I get a nice hit from the 4mg. It does give me mouth ulcers though. If you haven’t tried some you should you might like it.

I don’t think its a case someone wanting to ban e-cigs, for me anyway it’s whether it should be banned for safety. Lets face it if its as bad as smoking tobacco then its just a complete waste of time.
But that report proves nothing, it raises a considerable amount of doubt and concern . And until we actually know what’s in our e-liquid then that remains.
Its up to us all to make our own minds up.