E-Cig Clinical Study

**Danny** · 01-12-2009, 09:09 PM

I don't think this has been posted yet. I searched the forum and couldn't find it, so, here it is...

Electronic cigarette to be tested on smokers in trial - New Zealand's source for technology news on Stuff.co.nz

**katink** · 01-12-2009, 09:38 PM

I think you might have overlooked the exact date Danny: it's almost exactly a year ago (tomorrow it will be exactly 1 year).

Since then a lot has been done in New Zealand; and a number of reports have come from there, that you will be able to find discussed in the health section of this forum.
Here are a few of those reports:
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/2ndSafetyReport_9Apr08.pdf
http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/Portland2008ECIG.pdf

Thanks for bringing this up: this seems to be an excellent moment to take a look at those reports - that up to this day have not found danger of any importance in the e-smoking investigated there - and did find important advantages.

**Danny** · 01-12-2009, 10:26 PM

Oops... Yeah... I thought is was Jan. this year... lol

Xeon1979 · 01-12-2009, 11:13 PM

But if ruyan is financing the reports, Dont you believe that the information would be biased. Why would they fund something that would hurt their sales? If there was something bad that was found, Do you think they would want that information available? think about it. If you owned the company.

**Kate** · 01-12-2009, 11:19 PM

That's a possibility. In which case we have to rely on the reputation and integrity of the person who put their name to the reports. That's Dr Laugesen and he has a good reputation apparently.

**katink** · 01-13-2009, 02:58 AM

Dr. Laugeson belongs to the fiercest anti-smoking group in the country. I don't know where you are from Xeon, so I don't know the name by which your 'anti's' go - but the new-zealand equivalent of this group is actually monitoring and leading this testing being done.
I really don't think that precisely this group would have ány interest what-so-ever in anything having even a smidgeon of 'tobacco-smoking' attached to it... that would not only do damage to the people conducting these tests; but it would do big damage to the whole anti-smoking group in that country (if not worldwide).
So for me, I'm pretty comfortable that the outcomes of these tests are genuinly good... I just can't percieve any 'profit' for this group in any way from presenting the tests as being better then they really are. Though I do guess each has to make up their own mind on this.

**TropicalBob** · 01-13-2009, 03:12 AM

Ruyan had to really believe in its products to ask Health New Zealand to do a clinical trial. Because, yes, the results could have turned on them. But so far, so good.

And do you really think a respected researcher would stand before assemblies of his peers, as Dr. Murray Laugesen has done, or publish detailed reports on his findings with inaccurate (purposefully biased) information in his presentation? Really? Only his entire professional reputation is at stake every time he publishes a word. Park your concerns. Only a manufacturer like Ruyan could finance the tests e-smoking so badly needs as it faces worldwide bans. And thankfully a Chinese researcher was NOT used.

I have yet to see a serious red flag emerge from his studies. And I trust him, and his research conclusions. Without those, we all get to trust unknown minions in secret Chinese plants bottling unknown chemicals that we subsequently heat into vapor that we suck into the only set of lungs we'll ever have.

Anyone find comfort in unknowns like that, without assurances from a doctor like Murray Laugesen?

**2-cardis** · 01-28-2009, 02:01 AM

Wow, I thought those tests were pretty impressive. Are there any Runyan liquid suppliers out there?
Seems to me they checked almost everything in the liquid they could, so it makes me wonder why when some newbies ask if it's safer..they get an answer like..well, anything has to be better than smoking tobacco!