Vaping is not a complete substitute for tobacco smoking

[Sifanulla]

has anyone here switched to all natural tobacco with no additives? If so, how did your mind and body react in relation to the addiction?

I started rolling my own cigarettes in 2004 during a 6 month work stint in Holland. Taxes on cigs in the EU made them too expensive for me at that time. I kept on to this day. Loose tobacco for rolling is for the most part, all natural. It is curred and shredded and packaged. Pre-made cigs go through much more. They first cook it down and remove all the tar and nicotine from the tobacco ( I believe this is where the amonia was first introduced). The tobacco is dried and then the tar/nicotine soup is re-introduced with controlled levels of tar and nic. The soup is where all the special ingredients go and how they can accurately make the cig a light, ultra-light or full flavor. Supposedly, some companies use other fillers for the solids so they can stretch the tobacco. Smoke some wood chips anyone?

To answer the question, no difference for me between a Marlboro or a hand rolled Van Nelle Zware Shag, except that the hand rolled taste better.

[KoS]

I have been doing the RYO also. There was no adjustment period exept for the flavor and less coughing and hacking. But a good RYO tobacco has a higher natural nic level as opposed to a premade chemical nic level. Like to smoke a pipe too but I can smoke an entire bowl, put it down and smoke a cig.

[CapZ]

Thanks for the replies. While it's not a scientific study, at first glance it would seem the additives have little bearing on how addictive a cigarette is. But the fact remains, tobacco companies, all natural or not, remove all traces of nicotine, then add controlled amounts to decide how much of an addictive drug smokers receive, outside of FDA regulation. Isn't the nicotine manipulation considered an active effort to introduce an additive? Just because the nicotine was in the plant to begin with, doesn't mean it has to be there in the final product, other than for the want to keep people addicted.

I know I'm not stating anything new here. We all know Big Tobacco methods. It just seems to me the most important first step to understanding addiction to cigarettes, is FDA regulation of nicotine levels, which would make tobacco companies disclose on the box, how much of a known addictive drug they are giving consumers. As well as full disclosure of other methods they use to keep people addicted. Right now they are the experts. Until we know what they know, or figure out what they already know, do we ever really have a choice to smoke or not? Sorry this is turning into a rant well off topic.

[CrystalLakeDave]

I have to say that I am easily moving over to vapor rather than cigs. I think it will be easier to quit vapor if I want than cigs all at once. At least now I am quitting some of the tobacco stuff, then I can tackle other things. I still crave tobacco though. But the e-cig calms it enough for me to focus my attention elsewhere. When I do smoke a regular cig again, I feel all crappy afterwards

[Toby]

I still crave tobacco though.

My girlfriend still dreams of having a cigarette.... but I actually prefer the action (and of course the taste!) of esp. the Janty Kissbox, to tobacco.

[Sifanulla]

I'm using the e-cig to reduce the number of analoges I would normally burn in a day. Without any real cravings, I have effortlessly reduced my habbit to 5 tobacco cigs a day - down from 40. I actually prefer the e-cig taste while drinking a beer or with scotch. But the analogues go best with coffee and tea. If I didn't have to see or smell analogues, I could probably get away completely - but the wife smokes them all day and won't touch her new e-cig. Not enough draw on them. Problem is, I catch myself vaping all day long, non-stop. I had to reduce the nic content to avoid OD'ing. The smaller micro's seem to be more efficient at nic delivery than the big pen style. I'll vape billows from the pen all day and feel fine. If I hit that micro more than I would a regular cig, my head starts to pound. Same juice in each.

[Sifanulla]

I have been doing the RYO also. There was no adjustment period exept for the flavor and less coughing and hacking. But a good RYO tobacco has a higher natural nic level as opposed to a premade chemical nic level. Like to smoke a pipe too but I can smoke an entire bowl, put it down and smoke a cig.

I agree. Also, cigars do nothing for me. Half way into a cigar, I'm craving a cigarette. Same with snuff. I'll spit it out for a smoke. While I smoke the RYO in the majority, I do buy a pack of regulars now and again and tend to prefer them when they are around.

However, at a cost of 25 cents "per pack" (refilling with e-liquid) and the satisfaction that I'm not paying the state of NY $2.75 per pack in just tax (bastards!) the e-cig tastes a lot better than it might otherwise!

[fredstrong]

I have been smoking, on and off, for 28 years. I have smoked 1 - 1 1/2 paks of Marlboro reds a day, and I have quit for 1 - 2 years a number of times, but always found my way back.

I am sooooo happy to say, I have not smoked a single ciggarette since switching to e-cig. I have not battled any cravings, nor have I undergone, the all too familiar, withdrawals. I am a JUNKIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE when it comes to smoking! Thank God my Janty kissbox does the trick, I actually prefer it. I am sorry for those who are still in the battle despite the switch.

[CssReb]

Not sure if this was posted in this forum or even if it's real or fiction but here's a little article about liquid nicotine being tested at Duke University. Their success rate is way below Vaping it.

Who could believe a guy with a name like Richard Puff

Liquid Nicotine - Health News Story - WYFF Greenville

[Wildsky]

I have not read all the posts - I'll go back and read more.

I've always struggled to quit smoking, patches, gum, lozenges, hypnosis - everything, obviously none of that has worked. My husband quit with no problems at all, even with me continuing to smoke around him (I'm so mean)
The e-cig has helped more than anything so far, I am still smoking analogs, but 2-5 a day instead of the 20 +

At what point would the chemicals in the brain "heal" and go back to the way they were before smoking? Smoking obviously set off this crazy train, but at some point you would think the brain/chemical balance would correct itself (?)

I'm actually a little relieved to read its not something "in my head" LOL but you know, made up.