Vaping is not a complete substitute for tobacco smoking

[wv2win]

With vaping, I've gone from 25 to 30 cigs per day down to 7 to 9, and hopefully it will keep going down. However, to me vaping is like being on a nonfat diet all day--you eat nonfat muffins and angel cake and this and that, and then at some point you just crave full fat doughnuts and ice cream. Analogs to me are the "full fat" treats, as compared to the "nonfat" e-cigs. I don't know if it's the MAOI-this-or-that, or if there's a complex of something else in analogs. I wish someone could isolate it and put it in our juice (if it's not too dangerous)!

Chuffer, that was a very good description of the difference between vaping and smoking. I've only been vaping not quite two days now and have gone from about the same amount you smoked to 6-7 analogs a day in the last two days. But I could easily smoke more if I didn't stop myself. My goal is to be off analogs completely in a week or two.

[Patsch]

I've only been using e-cigs for a month and have had no cravings for regular tobacco. I'll admit that I prefer the high and medium nic cartridges, but a lot of my addiction is the "motions" of smoking. Hand to mouth and "drawing in and blowing out "smoke". I swear by e-cigs and have a feeling they will keep me from smoking regular tobacco forever (as long as the e-cigs are available).

[taz3cat]

Some of us smoker have Nicotine receptors in our brain. Some of us smoker do not have nicotine receptor in our brains.

If you have the receptors you will have lots of problems quiting, if you don't you will have a easier time quiting. I believe there or some in betweens in there some where. That was a research paper publish 2 or 3 months ago.

Nothing is simple when it comes to us humans. Who knows what other receptors we have in our brains that smoking connects to.

We will just have to do the best we can individually and not compare our selves to others , because we don't know all the facts.

If I can't completly quit it dose not make me a bad person, I don't care what the Anti's say.

[rejoice]

Taz, this is what I think too. Also its not in my mind. Its in my brain.

[Cymri]

WOW this forum is hoppin! Great to see such active posting on something that I think has the highest potential ever to positively impact the health of smokers.

I'd like to address the question above about harmine and other MAOI's. MAOI's (MonoAmine Oxidase Inhibitors) are substances that temporarily "tie up" the proteins the body uses to break down substances like nicotine. They aren't neuroactive in their own right, but instead allow nicotine and our own "feel good" chemicals like dopamine and serotonin to remain active longer than they normally would.

Since the body metabolizes nicotine so quickly, I can understand why gum and patches are usually ineffective. By the time nicotine manages to get absorbed from the soft tissues to the blood stream, it has already been largely converted to byproducts that are no longer pyschoactive. NRT product manufacturers overcome this by increasing 2 to 4 times (or more) the nicotine. The problem of course is that increases the amount of the toxic nicotine metabolites in our bodies- stuff that does nothing to satisfy our craving, yet still has adverse effects on our cardio.

Thats's where I can see the benefit of a low level of a natural MAOI in a smoking mix - activate a lower nicotine dose specifically for the brain receptors and limit the negative peripheral side effects.

The vaporization temperature question is interesting. The PG vapes at 188 C confirming Kate's observations. It's likely that it acts as a surfactant carrying the nicotine along with it. The data I looked at on harmine suggests it decomposes at temps not much higher than its melting temp in the 260 C range. So I feel an experiment coming on! Stay tuned.

[Lithium1330]

Kate I know you don't use your I-Inhale with herbs, but what about a mix of the content in a passion flower tea bag+e-liquid? just as an experiment.

[taz3cat]

Crymi, i just saw passon flower herb in a vg base, but had starch in it, the same with the coconut glycrin it in and achohol based. I was wondering how those would work out. I am going to get some and make me some tea for now. If it won't change the taste of diet soda I may put some in that.

[georgini]

Just a word of encouragement, - smoke free since 1/20, after 20+ years of a pack a day. Have no desire to smoke an analog.

[Cymri]

Crymi, i just saw passon flower herb in a vg base, but had starch in it, the same with the coconut glycrin it in and achohol based. I was wondering how those would work out. I am going to get some and make me some tea for now. If it won't change the taste of diet soda I may put some in that.

yeah Taz there are certainly alot of variables as to whether it would actually be effective, not taste like boiled socks, or screw up our atmoizers. On the plus side passion flower just has an alluring ring to begin with!

The lab rat in me suggests starting with a passion flower tincture - an ethanol extract - so that the starches and sugars would be largely absent.

[taz3cat]

I think I saw one bottle that was just water, acholol and passon flower extract, cannot remember which site I was on or which brand. If irun acoss it again I will let you know, it was cheap.