Alcohol Content.

[Remie]

The e-liquid is highly toxic to ingest. Poisonous, period.
WTH?????? Where did that come from? This statement is based on what facts????

I said it was toxic - not instant death. Being a smoker builds up a tolerance to nicotine, the same way that using any addictive substance does. So, your tolerance to nicotine would determine the amount you'd have to ingest to experience symptoms of an overdose.

That said - I was only trying to make the point to someone who's rightfully aware and questioning the potential compromise of their sobriety, that having e-juice around and vaping in every likelihood would not compromise their sobriety.

[Raenon]

Sorry Kurt, but I'm going to have to disagree with your post entirely.

Half a ml of brandy putting you into a stupor is ridiculous. Plus, that's be 20% of 2.5ml in a day.

But lets do some math here.
The average human body has 10 units of blood. That's 160 ounces, with 29.573 ml to an ounce, that's an average 255,570 ml of blood in a human being.

0.5ml /255,570 = 0.0000195% if you INJECTED pure alcohol directly into your bloodstream. I was corrected about the math later in the thread- it's actually 0.01% I blame the calculator I was using, but I probably just wasn't paying close enough attention to what keys I'd punched.
Please remember, that 0.08% blood alcohol content is considered to be intoxicated for purposes of driving.

Do you see the difference? It's 1/4000th 1/8th as much alcohol as it would take to make you legally intoxicated, which is generally 1-2 drinks in an hour for an adult. Please also remember that's not based on being in a "stupor", that's a level that many people will still be able to drive at (though irresponsible, and I'm not advocating it, just saying that people don't generally fall asleep in the bar after 1 beer)

To further put it into perspective- nyquil is 25% alcohol by volume. This means that a 2 tablespoon dose (1oz) has over 7ml of alcohol in it.

To the OP MBblue, please don't think that I am trying to put down the importance of what you're doing, or your caution to stay on the wagon, but you'll get about as much alcohol in the vanilla extract in a couple of sugar cookies as you will from vaping.
I hate fearmongers -_-

[MoeJoe39]

Here here.....less alcohol than a near beer would have.....

[ancienthighway]

I said it was toxic - not instant death. Being a smoker builds up a tolerance to nicotine, the same way that using any addictive substance does. So, your tolerance to nicotine would determine the amount you'd have to ingest to experience symptoms of an overdose.

That said - I was only trying to make the point to someone who's rightfully aware and questioning the potential compromise of their sobriety, that having e-juice around and vaping in every likelihood would not compromise their sobriety.

Nicotine is a poison. It doesn't need to be ingested to harm someone. It is absorbed through the skin and cause as much harm. 60 mg of nicotine is enough to kill an adult. Nicotine content of one cigarette can make a child seriously ill. There's a reason the nicotine patch and other delivery systems say not to be used with other delivery systems, you have no control of how much nicotine your body is getting. There's a reason 54mg juice comes with the warning saying it's not for vaping without cutting.

As far as alcohol content and recovering alcoholics, I'm recovering also, and the only thing that has ever made me want to drink again was my ex-wife. The amount of alcohol in food, medicines, and flavorings is so miniscule, it has no effect on the body.

[VaporWebHQ]

I was actually wondering about this as well because I have a Device on my ankle that monitors if I consume any alcohol and I really do not want it going of as that would land my in the slammer most likely.

Glad someone brought it up so have some info on it, thanks.

[Kurt]

Well, I knew what I posted was going to have mixed responses, and I knew someone was going to accuse me of fearmongering. I most certainly do feel the effect of 10% alcohol. I have done the experiment now a few times and there is, at least with me, a strong enough effect to want to avoid it.

I have also worked with ethanol as a solvent in reactions, where the air is filled with ethanol vapor, and every chemist knows how that affects you, just like any volatile solvent vapor.

I have also owned and used a brandy pipe, mostly with Gran Marnier and stronger flavored liquors, and the effect is very strong for very little liquid. And this is exactly the purpose of a brandy snifter. You do not even need to drink it.

Inhaled alcohol is not the same as alcohol that is ingested as a drink. It goes right to the brain, and it takes very little to affect you. Perhaps stupor is too strong a word, but buzzed? Yes, definitely.

Everyone is different. I know people that can throw back enough ethanol to put me in a coma. This is a function of differences in liver alcohol dehydrogenase enzymes. Mine are somewhat sluggish, it seems. I feel the effects of one beer. Many alcoholics have overactive liver enzymes, which is why many dont feel or act drunk after having consumed a lot. And some have zero tolerance from damaged livers.

The effect was not enough to noticeably affect my driving, that I could tell, but it was enough that normal tasks I need to do, like high-level math, programming, and martial arts, were strongly affected. Spread out over a day, before I realized what was happening, had me thinking something is terribly wrong. And now that I am paying attention, I can certainly taste alcohol in the vapor.

Try this: put a couple mL of PGA into a vessel that allows you to only breath the vapor evaporating off of it, such as a snifter. Warm it a little to help. Sit there and inhale and see what happens while you attempt to inhale it all. If nothing happens at all, then I would say using alcohol to thin your juices should have no effect. I personally would be pretty strongly buzzed, and not a fun buzz, more like a general anesthetic, and I would not want to finish it. You are correct, my blood alcohol level would be WAY under illegal. And I would be strongly buzzed...my guess is anyone would be.

And for a recovering alcoholic, I would say even a hint of that buzz would be something you would want to avoid. Mind you, my juice was 10%. Most commercial juices with alcohol have maybe 2% since they use PG and are thin enough as it is. It certainly does make for a better quality vape, especially in terms of flavor, but water works almost equally well.

But showing a recovering alcoholic the numbers of how they should be able to vape alcohol, when distilled water, which many vendors use instead of alcohol, works about as well, is to me rather misguided. People can do what they want. I am just saying that, yes, the alcohol has the potential to affect you, and there is an alternative, so whats the big deal?

[mpetva]

I said it was toxic - not instant death. Being a smoker builds up a tolerance to nicotine, the same way that using any addictive substance does. So, your tolerance to nicotine would determine the amount you'd have to ingest to experience symptoms of an overdose.

That said - I was only trying to make the point to someone who's rightfully aware and questioning the potential compromise of their sobriety, that having e-juice around and vaping in every likelihood would not compromise their sobriety.

Ok, it is just the way you worded it earlier, it sounded like DO NOT VAPE since Nic Juice is toxic....at least thats how it came across to me.

[Remie]

Ok, it is just the way you worded it earlier, it sounded like DO NOT VAPE since Nic Juice is toxic....at least thats how it came across to me.

No worries Said as she sits here vaping like a house on fire

[SNM]

I am a recovering alcoholic as well. I have never had or felt any ill effects from vapeing. But now you all have me worried I hope that there is no alacohol in my blood now from vapeing..

[john doe]

the ounces to milliliter conversion was wrong. 160 ounces=4732 milliliters. just google ounces millilter conversion. so 0.5/4732=.0001 or .01%