Propylene glycol toxicity

[Kattdaddy]

I'm just curious how you knew they were about to poop, and later, how you knew they were constipated? Never mind, maybe I don't want to know!

Yes, that in itself gave me the proof I need to realize this guy is full of crap.... no pun intended. Notice he hasn't even made the attempt to explain what a few have posted for a response to question his supposed experiment. I certainly hope he washed his hands.........

[dee5]

"Yes, that in itself gave me the proof I need to realize this guy is full of crap"

Idoesmoking is a doctor, professor and researcher and he lives in India so there is a 12 hour time difference. Could be why he hasn't responded yet.

[5cardstud]

But that test is moot because the proylene Glycol was burnt in a burning cigarette not vaporized. How much of it was lost to burning or extreme heat versus how much is lost to low heat in vaporizing. And how many people do you know that put it in their cigarettes? I've heard of people putting alot of stuff in their smokes but never propylene glycol. But then I don't know alot of mice that smoke either.

[notsoogood]

Im with Doots, I think it say that effects of drying, etc were done after 42 days then the rats were back to normal even tho still exposed? Is that correct? Lotsa BIG words

So what are you???? A genius!!!??? I didn't understand a thing in that post! LOL I think I need to go back and_read_real_sllooowwwwlllyyyy. Maybe then I can figure it out!

[dee5]

While looking for something else, I found this. Has any one else posted it yet? I hope this link works:
Propylene glycol in e cigarettes might keep us healthy, says researchers

[Kattdaddy]

@Vocalek : Very helpful post.I believed from the day I heard and knew of e-cigs;its an alternative addiction.Like people sniff glue,nail polish remover and hundreds of other stuffs,its like that.e-cig helped me to stop analog cigs- the more dangerous one,I am happy for the fact.I had a WRONG impression,that the companies add something to e-liquid;so,I prepared e-liq in my lab (PG based).I concluded that PG vapor itself has the ability to make one addicted.I had to test it.It would sound inhuman,but I exposed 2 rabbits to PG vapor (5 minx4 times a dayx 4 days)-two after major meals,two before their defecation.On the 5th day,I stopped it.They were aggressive,a bit constipated too.The control rabbit (one) was exposed to water vapour.
The rabbits are in good health now,dont worry :-)
I have no intension to make this report forwarded to any organization,for several reasons.
It is evident to me,I have to quit e-cig too for the benefit of not only my family,but for all who will be benefited by me,directly or indirectly.
Hope it helps some one.
By the way,PG vapor has a bronchodilator action too,(like albuterol (aka Salbutamol))-but the mechanism of action is different),so,asthmatics may find a "relief"-this is from my personal experience-I have asthma.But,I made a peripheral blood film of me,examined under microscope-I have noted the reduced Eosinophil count,reduced reticulocyte count,shift to left of neutrophil-an effect that is produced by high dose prolonged steroid use.
I need more opinion from the super specialists...

Eosinophil count refers to a blood smear test that measures the white cell content in the blood stream.Escalated counts indicate allergic diseases and infections.

The reticulocyte count refers to the measure of red cell rate of producion in the bone marrow.(used to determine anemia)

The shift to left of the neutrophil refers to an increase in the immature neutrophils released from production by the bone marrow in response to fighting infection, usually bacterial infection or inflammation.

This alone does not indicate other conditions he may have leading to such outcome. As a matter of fact, conducting real research by ethical guidelines usually require a subject to go through extensive testing to rule out precursors prior to experimentation. Nobody here knows whether he may have a condition causing this outcome outside of his exposure to PG vapor and to expect us to reason with his results is out of the question.

I only refer to the ethics of performing such research on ones' self as bias.... Such ethics are in place to guarantee that the research can be properly validated and there are reasons those guidelines are in place. Whether or not he is a doctor or professor is irrelevant, as it further proves that he should know better than to experiment on himself. Thus, making any findings unconclusive and unproven.

[voltaire]

And how many people do you know that put it in their cigarettes? I've heard of people putting alot of stuff in their smokes but never propylene glycol.

PG along with VG are actually quite common additives in analog cigarettes. Predictably, they help produce thicker smoke.

[V4Lis4me]

PG along with VG are actually quite common additives in analog cigarettes. Predictably, they help produce thicker smoke.

Exactly,
that is why the studies were conducted I presume. PG and VG are both common additives in the long list of 'regular' cig additives.

...so,
if you've smoked a cig, you've smoked a certain percentage of vg or pg additive..... but, nowhere near our consumption levels with ecigs.


and I may be wrong,
but I do believe that they were added to cigs to retain moisture content in the tobacco, not produce better smoke.

[Wireguy]

Thats one point he made. The other was PG is addicting. I suspect we would already know if it was or not given how many products it's used in.

The whole argument is sort of well...

Eosinophil count refers to a blood smear test that measures the white cell content in the blood stream.Escalated counts indicate allergic diseases and infections.

The reticulocyte count refers to the measure of red cell rate of producion in the bone marrow.(used to determine anemia)

The shift to left of the neutrophil refers to an increase in the immature neutrophils released from production by the bone marrow in response to fighting infection, usually bacterial infection or inflammation.

This alone does not indicate other conditions he may have leading to such outcome. As a matter of fact, conducting real research by ethical guidelines usually require a subject to go through extensive testing to rule out precursors prior to experimentation. Nobody here knows whether he may have a condition causing this outcome outside of his exposure to PG vapor and to expect us to reason with his results is out of the question.

I only refer to the ethics of performing such research on ones' self as bias.... Such ethics are in place to guarantee that the research can be properly validated and there are reasons those guidelines are in place. Whether or not he is a doctor or professor is irrelevant, as it further proves that he should know better than to experiment on himself. Thus, making any findings unconclusive and unproven.

[MaryMarcelle]

While looking for something else, I found this. Has any one else posted it yet? I hope this link works:

Wow!! I checked out this Link. Very informative and interesting. To think that vaping might actually serve as a better substitute for a flu shot! (which I wouldn't get anyway, but I know some people like to)

Thank you so much for sharing it!