PG is bad for people with kidney disorders (I can no longer vape in the house)

[ProStreet]

We just found out my wife has some serious kidney problems. 1 kidney is pretty much done and the other appears normal but is not functioning as it should. Her creatinine level is way high at 8.2 and they are not sure why yet. Needless to say I am freaking out and upset to the point that I am getting the shakes and upset stomach etc etc.


For some reason I thought to look up affects of PG. What I found made my heart stop for a second. PG is NOT good for people with kidney disorders.


PROPYLENE GLYCOL


Potential Health Effects
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Inhalation:
No adverse health effects via inhalation.
Ingestion:
Relatively non-toxic. Ingestion of sizable amount (over 100ml) may cause some gastrointestinal upset and temporary central nervous system depression. Effects appear more severe in individuals with kidney problems.
Skin Contact:
Mild irritant and defatting agent, especially on prolonged contact.
Eye Contact:
May cause transitory stinging and tearing.
Chronic Exposure:
Lactic acidosis, stupor and seizures have been reported following chronic ingestion.
Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
Kidney disorders.



I broke down and have had a couple analogs over the last 2 days when we found out all of this stuff.

[Katattack]

I believe that's based upon the finding that prolonged intravenous lorazepam therapy delivered with PG in the mix has at times lead to a further decrease in kidney function in patients with pre-existing renal impairment.
I'm going to try to find more information on this. I mean look into the whole thing not just info to support what I'm thinking.

[schaedj]

Inhalation:
No adverse health effects via inhalation.
Ingestion:
Relatively non-toxic. Ingestion of sizable amount (over 100ml) may cause some gastrointestinal upset and temporary central nervous system depression. Effects appear more severe in individuals with kidney problems.
Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
Kidney disorders.



I broke down and have had a couple analogs over the last 2 days when we found out all of this stuff.

Sorry to hear about your wife.
I can't tell you what to do, but going back to analogs can't be an improvement.
If there was a impact on the kidneys from inhalation, wouldn't they have to list that?
I also noticed on the MSDS that it can break down to CO or aldehydes when it is heated to decomposition. Does vaping heat it to decomposition?

[Metstoo]

My dad's wife has poly-cystic kidney syndrome. Her kidney's gradually shut down. However, she has been on dialysis for 3 years now and recently started home dialysis. She is healthier then ever! While it's not the greatest news ever, please don't despair. There is hope!

As for the PG, are you the only vaper in the house or does your wife vape? You can always switch to VG and/or vape outside (if you are the only vaper) just in case.

[ProStreet]

My dad's wife has poly-cystic kidney syndrome. Her kidney's gradually shut down. However, she has been on dialysis for 3 years now and recently started home dialysis. She is healthier then ever! While it's not the greatest news ever, please don't despair. There is hope!

As for the PG, are you the only vaper in the house or does your wife vape? You can always switch to VG and/or vape outside (if you are the only vaper) just in case.

What is going on with her has all 5 Dr's and specialist's puzzled. They cant figure out why the one kidney looks normal but is not functioning like it should. Tomorrow she goes for more blood work then off to the blood specialist. They think she has some sort of infection because her spleen is enlarged and a lymph node next to her kidney doesn't look right like it has a growth on it. Kidney guy thinks that may be squeezing off proper flow to the kidney that looks good but they have no clue what it is or anything. they are calling it a medical mystery at this point.


I am the only vaper. She quit cold turkey 3 years ago. I hate to admit it but she is much more strong willed than I am. Just to be on the safe side I will likely start going outside to vape.

[Metstoo]

I hope they find a solution for her soon!

As for the PG, I doubt the small amounts she may be getting second-hand would be a real medical concern so try not to harbor any guilt! From what I've read here and there, she'd have to be sucking directly on a fog machine to get enough PG to affect her so severely.

Still, I'd be vaping outside too, though, just to be safe until you know what's what with her condition. Best to be overly cautious.

[AlexTM]

I wouldn't worry too much - at most she could get a fraction of what you vape, and that's on average like 2-3ml. She probably gets as much from food, cosmetics and stuff, because PG is really, really common.

If you are still worried, switch to VG juiced when you are around her.

But those kidney problems were reported, AFAIR, with really far, far larger amounts.

[Lab]

i highly doubt that she would get the amounts that would cause reaction from you using in the house.. but leave the room and clean up after yourself... just look at all the items in your house that contain pg.. in all honesty i would be outside too if i was put in that situation even though i dont think that it is that high of risk.. at least it is warming up out..

bring it up to a doctor though since if it is that bad you might want to remove a bunch of household items too..

hope the tests find out what is going on and are able to get the healthy kidney working properly..

it is also not good to inhale for ppl with asthma..


what you posted though is for large amounts..
Ingestion:
Relatively non-toxic. Ingestion of sizable amount ****(over 100ml)***** may cause some gastrointestinal upset and temporary central nervous system depression. Effects appear more severe in individuals with kidney problems.

[ToneBone]

Hmm... I only have one kidney. I had surgery about 11 years ago to have the other one taken out. It was giving me ultra-high blood pressure with no symptoms. I feel fine so far vaping.. only VG tho.. PG is a lil rough. Hope she feels better!

Tony

[N00bx7]

I also noticed on the MSDS that it can break down to CO or aldehydes when it is heated to decomposition. Does vaping heat it to decomposition?

I think this has been talked about before and from what I remember the attys dont get hot enough. Might wanna search the forums if you are concerned about it though.

Sorry to hear about your wife man like others said you can always switch to VG to ease your worries.