Propylene glycol inhaling?

[greensurf]

I haven't taken to e-smoking very well, and it's a big disappointment for me unfortunately. The first night I might have had overdose of nicotine because it's hard to really know how much your getting, unlike a Marlboro red where you can really feel it. The amount is obscure even if you know the mg amount in each cartridge, each puff ( I've read ) is much less. But I have a high tolerance of nicotine, shouldn't have hit me like that. I puffed away at different strengths and flavors ( only about 30 or so hits, my throat became very sore and dry, even drinking water didn't help. Felt sick, and a headache as well as lungs feeling uncomfortable and not healthy. Smoking regular cigs is not a problem but the E-cig is difficult. Is it all the PG? The sore throat decreased after 2 days and my immune system finally went back up after a LOT of night sweating. ( I have a pretty high immune normally, so this was a bad and unusual shock to the system ). Yesterday I was fine, so I tried smoking the E-cig again but this time on low nic, and only about 20 puffs or so. I got a sore scratchy throat, woke up with it also. It's not a cold, that's a different sore throat - but this time I didn't get sick, but then again I smoked only 1 brand of ecig this time - not the other which was from ecig.com. ( a friend also took about 20 hits the first night and got sick to his stomach, another person with high nicotine tolerance). Anyways... If the PG is making the throat so dry and sore, it would only seem normal that it might do the same to your lungs now and then depending on how much you smoke it. The idea of drying out my lungs with fog juice turns me off of this whole experiment. But many people are smoking this non stop without problem, so I don't know what to think. More tests need to be done on heavy long term PG smokers to see what happens every time it's inhaled. I could imagine that there might be some kind of natural moisturizer that could be added to stop the dry side effects maybe? Vitamin E? Maybe the solution is as easy as that.
I'm going to try the Brickford as a last attempt before I put this thing away. And then I'll just watch and learn and hopefully the future will bring great advancement and regulation with the e-cig.

[Mr.Darcy]

greensurf,it sounds like you could be one of the unfortunates who dont react well to PG mate.thats a real pity.

[Nazareth]

the wierd thing is that there's no real congestion (I do cough up clear 'globs' but I've always doen that with hte asthma) and hte other wierd htign is that it's easier now that I've cut down regular ciggs to cough it up, but the problem that is affectign me with the e-ciggs is the burning- like a Bronchitis burnign in the lings, but it only happens when I inhale hte ecigg- I will say that I used to have to 'clear my throat' for a long time at night- but that has drasticalyl reduced since cuttign down on real ciggs. the other hting is the sweats- I just smoked the E-cigg for about an hour, didn't get much of hte burning hte burning in the lungs htis time, but the sweating started again, a full body flushed type sweating- quite annoying- and hte stomach upset started again. After I finish off this high nico cart, I'll try a No nicotine cart and see what happens.

If it's just a cold, it hsould pass, but if it's the PG, then I'm out of luck I guess.

Bob, I tried the Glycerin by mixing it with homemade tobacco juice and a spot of extract, put it in dry cart- I didn't care for the glycerin & it really bothered my stomach- worse than the PG it seemed. I've supposedly got some PG coming from Bickfords, although it seems to have been lost in transit- been two weeks now- but I'll try some withj just extract & PG see what happens

http://If the problem lasts more tha...eded nicotine.

I have recently started practicing fire breathign, but I doubt it's that Yeah- I'm suspecting it's the PG, but further tests will help determine if it is- will keep everyone informaed

[TropicalBob]

There is an estimate that propylene glycol adversely affects 10% of users. That's a lot, when you think about it. If your symptoms continue, move to an alternative nicotine source for a week and see what happens. You may never be able to inhale PG without consequence. And, with health issues, listen to YOUR BODY first and foremost. You're not a lab rat to be sacrificed at the conclusion of this experiment.

I find I prefer the glycerol, since it's naturally sweeter than PG. I've had no problems using it. But that's a matter of satisfying my super sweet tooth.

[bishybob]

I think it would be a good idea to start a poll with people who've experienced

Yeah since I've switched to e-smokng I've noticed a few symptoms.

My stomach is always churning and grumbling. I also have more gas. Stomach doesn't really hurt just grumbles a lot. I had both of these problems slightly before, but now there's more of it and it's more constant. Not hard to ignore or get rid of with a gax-x pill and a Rolaid. I find if I take one of each in the morning my stomach is generally fine during the day.

This has happened 2-3 times so far: At the end of the day I've had slight kidney pain. I have a history of kidney stones, but this isn't that type of pain. Again it's not bad, just there... Seems like it's related to the e-smoking.

I had a couple headaches the first day or two but those went away.

I've had no dry mouth or throat problems.

Nazareth: I haven't experienced it with smoking, but a fever is pretty common when coming off an addictive substance, or replacing one substance with a similar one. I have experienced it with other substances. Hopefully it's that and not a PG sensitivity or something else.

[Nazareth]

TB http://And, with health issues, list... and foremost.

Ah but what fun would that be?

http://There is an estimate that pro... 10% of users.

Leave it to me to probably fall into the minority- I've had Acromegally (Same htign Andre the Giant had- only mine didn't cause gigantism- know what hte odds of gettign Acromegally are? 1 in 3,000,000 - Also got Mitochondrial Dysfuntion & Crohn's disease- both quite rare diseases=- not sure how rare- never looked em up- but not many peopel get them- so yeah- it wouldn't surprise me if I'm in the 10% that can't tolorate PG lol

http://I find I prefer the glycerol,...r sweet tooth.

I don't mind the sweet taste so much, but it's a 'heavier' kind of vapor & leaves a bit of after taste (after the intititial sweet taste) that I don't care for- I find it also linger in the air longer than PG- it just seems heavier to me I guess- plus it made my stomach rumble worse thasn hte PG

Bishy I have a history of kidney stones,

Ughh- I've passed two sto0nes that were abotu hte size of a fleck of dirt & lemme tell ya- I was out of my mind with pain- literally- it took 4 1/2 hours to pass & I was totally spent when it was over. I'm not sposed to drink Pepsi- or caffeine soda, but I haven't been able to give em up yet- I'm a glutton for punishment I guess.

http://My stomach is always churning...rumbles a lot.

Exactly what's hapenign with me- stomach doesn't hurt- just feels liek I've eaten Pop Rocks and drank soda at same tiem sorta-

http://I haven't experienced it with...a similar one.

I've got a lot of testign to do- the thing that worries me a bit is that these fevers go along with my Crohn's, so I gotta kinda really make sure it's not affectign that & see if it's just the PG or somethign itself that is causign hte fevers- Been smoking the E-cigg all day, was doing good, but now that it's gettign on toward bedtime, I'm feelign a bit worse again- but we'll se what happens- migth just all be coincidence & might just be a mild cold or something. I do getcolds easily, so that coudl be it as well.

[TropicalBob]

Nazareth, your consideration is unique. Something in e-smoking could be aggravating a problem you already have. This board is not filled with others who share your stomach problems, for instance, or the regular fever after e-smoking a day. It happens sometimes to others, but it's hard to pin down a cause-and-effect. I think you should take a complete list of e-liquid content to your doctor and ask him if he thinks any chemical in the liquid conflicts with existing mediation you take or might aggravate some existing condition. Be sure he sees the complete list -- not just PG and nicotine. There are many chemicals in there -- the complete list is on this forum.

[Nazareth]

yeah, ill perobABLY just test differetn things liek no or low nicotine refills, try less PG if I ever get my order from Bickfords in, & just experiment for a bit, see what happens- worse coems to worse, I'll just quit E-smokin if I'm forced to- today seems a bit better- we'll see how hte day progresses & how it affects or doesn't affect.

[eternal]

I had some bad reactions as well. The PG made my stomach uncomfortable, body pain, and my kidneys felt uneasy.
I didn't want to risk it so i stopped. Since i stopped i feel no more symptoms. I really love the whole e cig thing ,unfortunately my body didn't think so. I used to wake up feeling like i got hit by a truck. I hope the quality control and chemical testing improve and we can get more conclusive info because i did enjoy it for the time i used it.

TB http://And, with health issues, list... and foremost.

Ah but what fun would that be?

http://There is an estimate that pro... 10% of users.

Leave it to me to probably fall into the minority- I've had Acromegally (Same htign Andre the Giant had- only mine didn't cause gigantism- know what hte odds of gettign Acromegally are? 1 in 3,000,000 - Also got Mitochondrial Dysfuntion & Crohn's disease- both quite rare diseases=- not sure how rare- never looked em up- but not many peopel get them- so yeah- it wouldn't surprise me if I'm in the 10% that can't tolorate PG lol

http://I find I prefer the glycerol,...r sweet tooth.

I don't mind the sweet taste so much, but it's a 'heavier' kind of vapor & leaves a bit of after taste (after the intititial sweet taste) that I don't care for- I find it also linger in the air longer than PG- it just seems heavier to me I guess- plus it made my stomach rumble worse thasn hte PG

Bishy I have a history of kidney stones,

Ughh- I've passed two sto0nes that were abotu hte size of a fleck of dirt & lemme tell ya- I was out of my mind with pain- literally- it took 4 1/2 hours to pass & I was totally spent when it was over. I'm not sposed to drink Pepsi- or caffeine soda, but I haven't been able to give em up yet- I'm a glutton for punishment I guess.

http://My stomach is always churning...rumbles a lot.

Exactly what's hapenign with me- stomach doesn't hurt- just feels liek I've eaten Pop Rocks and drank soda at same tiem sorta-

http://I haven't experienced it with...a similar one.

I've got a lot of testign to do- the thing that worries me a bit is that these fevers go along with my Crohn's, so I gotta kinda really make sure it's not affectign that & see if it's just the PG or somethign itself that is causign hte fevers- Been smoking the E-cigg all day, was doing good, but now that it's gettign on toward bedtime, I'm feelign a bit worse again- but we'll se what happens- migth just all be coincidence & might just be a mild cold or something. I do getcolds easily, so that coudl be it as well.

[Nazareth]

Eternal- maybe if you tried making your own juice- it might help- there might be somethign in the prefilled Catridges that doesn't agree with us- the Carts have several ingredients besides PG - I've ogt some PG coming and iwll try a mix of just PG and tobacco juice- maybe a dash of flavoring but I'm goign ot be tryign a few different things-