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    I usually vape 2-3 ml per day of 24 mg juice. I don’t know for certain but I believe the juice I use is mostly or all propylene glycol. I’ve been vaping since October of last year and have been cigarette free for the last three months. My technique always includes exhaling slowly through the nose without inhaling to the lungs.

    Since I started vaping I had a half dozen or more incidences of inflamed nasal passages. These result in swollen or puffy areas on the face near the nose or below the eyes. Sometimes it looks like a baggy eye. My voice box can get dry and hoarse on occasion. All of these problems clear up after a couple of days so I figured they might go away, eventually.

    I drink plenty of fluids: about 72 fl. oz. of diet cola per day (not enough caffeine to cause dehydration) in addition to several glasses of water per day.

    About a week ago I noticed that the inside of my nose was feeling and looking dry along the right nostril. Yes, I looked up there with a flashlight.

    Yesterday afternoon things really hit the fan. I got four raised, inflamed, angry looking red bumps inside the right nostril. This was a very painful and sore situation. I cut down the vaping to a bare minimum for the rest of the day.

    Why only the right nostril? I don’t know, except that airflow on the right side is less than on the left due to a broken nose I suffered many years ago.

    Things have improved today. I’m vaping about one half of my usual amount of juice so I'm a bit cranky. I’m not exhaling through the nose at all. I’m either holding the vapor in my mouth or inhaling to the lungs before exhaling through the mouth. Swelling inside the nostril is going down and the redness is much reduced. I went to the drugstore and purchased some saline nasal spray. I used that several times today. It seems to produce immediate relief from the dryness.

    I went online and ordered some new juice from Xtreme Vaping. I ordered 25 mg nicotine in two bottles: one is 50/50 PG/VG and the other is 100% VG. Both are unflavored just in case my problem is a reaction to flavor additives. I also ordered two graduated cylinders from an Amazon lab equipment vendor so I can do some nicotine reduction with VG if needed. I have a fresh bottle of glycerine USP at home.

    It will be a few days before the new juices arrive.

    Anyone had similar problems? Any suggestions?
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    Sorry to hear about your troubles. Yeah, I vaped high PG juices for about six months when the itching started. Mouth, nose, throat, skin,etc. something awful. Someone suggested trying VG juices and I'm at 100% VG most of the time. Kinda limits my choice of juices, but I'm not complaining. Every now and then, I've just got to try some of my old PG juices like Sweet Caroline (best flavor on the planet, I swear!) and the itching comes back. Good luck and I hope something works for you.

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    Ya give up the pg and ur problems will prolly go away. I'm another that can't tolerate pg. vg don't bother me at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzer View Post
    the juice I use is mostly or all propylene glycol

    I've also heard a lot about PG causing sore gums, roof of mouth, and canker sores, etc. However, I'm wondering about something.............


    I am under the care of a specialist (oral) right now for dry mouth (which I already had and has nothing to do with vaping.) as well as some periodontal problems.

    The newest remedy for this is BIOTENE. It comes in toothpaste, mouthwash, and gel.

    Guess what the 2nd ingredient after water is? propylene glycol


    I have also looked at many other gum disease, periodontal type RXs and they also contain this ingredient at the very top.


    If you go into the drugstore and start looking at other mouthwashes, many of them also contain this.

    I am wondering if it's actually NOT the ingredient itself, (PG) but the change of properties when it is "heated and vaporized" that changes something, that makes it different than cold mouthwash.

    One way to do this experiment is to stop vaping PG but use PG laden mouthwash, and see if the problem repeats. If not, then it must have something to do with the heating of it in vapor form?

    I'm going to talk to some oral surgeon's, prosthodontists, and periodontists about this ingredient.

    Seems strrange that the very thing that is prescribed to treat gum problems would actually cause gum problems, canker sores, in some people. I guess I would also have to find out how often their patients actually show reactions to cold PG.

    For instance, Dantes Inferno: do you exhibit same symptoms using PG mouthwash? I'd be curious to know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racehorse View Post
    I've also heard a lot about PG causing sore gums, roof of mouth, and canker sores, etc. However, I'm wondering about something.............


    I am under the care of a specialist (oral) right now for dry mouth (which I already had and has nothing to do with vaping.) as well as some periodontal problems.

    The newest remedy for this is BIOTENE. It comes in toothpaste, mouthwash, and gel.

    Guess what the 2nd ingredient after water is? propylene glycol


    I have also looked at many other gum disease, periodontal type RXs and they also contain this ingredient at the very top.


    If you go into the drugstore and start looking at other mouthwashes, many of them also contain this.

    I am wondering if it's actually NOT the ingredient itself, (PG) but the change of properties when it is "heated and vaporized" that changes something, that makes it different than cold mouthwash.

    One way to do this experiment is to stop vaping PG but use PG laden mouthwash, and see if the problem repeats. If not, then it must have something to do with the heating of it in vapor form?

    I'm going to talk to some oral surgeon's, prosthodontists, and periodontists about this ingredient.

    Seems strrange that the very thing that is prescribed to treat gum problems would actually cause gum problems, canker sores, in some people. I guess I would also have to find out how often their patients actually show reactions to cold PG.

    For instance, Dantes Inferno: do you exhibit same symptoms using PG mouthwash? I'd be curious to know
    Yes I'm guessing it's the inhaled form that causes problems for me. I've used biotene before as well. Also pg is nearly everywhere in cosmetic and medical products. .......
    Inhalation of the propylene glycol vapors appears to present no significant hazard in ordinary applications. However, limited human experience indicates that inhalation of propylene glycol mists could be irritating to some individuals.[19] Some research has suggested that propylene glycol not be used in applications where inhalation exposure or human eye contact with the spray mists of these materials is likely, such as fogs for theatrical productions or antifreeze solutions for emergency eye wash stations.[20]

    I nearly stopped vaping a few years ago due to the pg. I wasn't as aware at the time exactly what the problem was. All I knew was I started vaping and all of a sudden I had a sore throat, full sinuses, and constant headaches. After trying vg liquid the problems soon went away. Over the years I've tried adding more pg to my liquids to see how it went. I've found I can tolerate up to a 40% pg without any immediate problems.
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    When I switched to vaping, I had a lot of dry nose issues. To the point of causing some minor nose bleeds. I picked up some of this and use it at least once a day or every other day ... problems went away.


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    as much as I hate to say this,,,,,,,,it might be the nicotine too. I had HUGE problems with burning, dry, itchy nose until I figured out it was any nicotine lever OVER 11. Yep, 14, 16, 18+ and I'm itching and snuffing and BURNING inside my nose,,,,,I go 11 or below, not a problem in the world.
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    While I never paid much attention to my exhale when I was smoking, for some reason I started watching when I vaped. A good bit of the exhaled vapor leaves my nose in addition to my mouth. Being as the bases of the vapor are dehydrating, I can see where this could cause issues in the nasal sinus region. But again, once I started using that saline spray at least semi regularly, my issues have subsided.

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    I've seen a lot of posts with people thinking they have either an allergy to PG or an allergy to VG.
    It makes me wonder if the bad reactions are really from the flavorings and not from the base liquids.
    I'm far from being an expert, but it seems to me the flavor additives might be the more likely culprit to cause an irritation.
    Yesterday I saw a post from someone that traced a shortness of breath issue back to flavorings through trial and error.
    I know it sounds boring, but try straight VG or PG with your usual nic level and see if it makes a difference.
    Small bottles of this are available at a low cost at a ton of places.

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    I've also had recurring sinus issues and I take claritin and diphenhydramine (benadryl) for it. I also been getting some dry boogie situations (saline nasal spray and a good nose blowing fixes that - don't pick!). I vape 70/30 pg/vg. When I tried to go to 60/40 pg/vg I already noticed huge wicking issues and the opposite of all I have been told came true. The flavor improved when it was wicking right. Common belief holds that PG helps flavor, and VG helps vapor production. I don't really have any answers for you because I still don't know how to fix my own problem but what I can do is give you some advice. If you go with anything higher in vg than 70/30 pg/vg you really need to thin the VG out with PGA (pure grain alcohol) or distilled water if you want any sort of proper performance. At least that has been my experience so far with Stardusts. With a carto I can go up to 60/40 but past that is sketchy. I haven't tried thinning yet because I drank the last bottle of everclear that I bought for that.... but that's another story for another time....

    When discussing this problem with a good vaper friend of mine she suggested to use a product called XLear. It's like 8 bucks a bottle and I haven't gotten a chance to get my hands on it but she swears by it.

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