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    Yes this is common allergy symptom to PG i think. I get a bad itchy rash and hives. I'm not JUST allergic to pg in e-juice but I also get this same reaction from certain asthma inhalers, shampoo, liquid soaps, and lotions with pg in it. I once had such a bad reaction to one of my inhalers that i had to be put on prednisone for a week. Im very careful to buy juice that is a reduced pg formula and I seem to be fine. One in a while I do use a prefilled pg cart and just taking a benedryl before bed takes care of the itchiness/hives.

    pooper@ Do the flavorings you ordered have colour? My sister is highly allergic to anything with red food colouring. She couldnt even drink coolaid when we were kids

    I think that vendors should make all ingredients (ie:coloring, etc) to the public.
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    You are so right about listing ingredients. The lack of real knowledge about the liquid we vaporize to inhale is inexcusable. And some here think regulatory agencies should just let things slide as they are now? Not a chance. Not even the RIGHT thing to do.

    Like you, I sometimes have to pop a Benedryl in order to get some relief and sleep.

    Where is the listing of side effects required for ingestion of drugs that produce effects like those we're noting here? Our practice screams for regulation, since manufacturers have so long ignored common sense practices like a child-proofing, tamper-proofing, toxic warnings, ingredient listing, possible side effects, warnings to pregnant women, cautions about pet dangers, etc, etc, etc.

    They let us down until fear forced a few to spend pennies for child-proofing vials, but it has been far too little, far too late.
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    As a side note, I haven't vaped today (using the snus) and the itching is subsiding somewhat.

    Bob, most of the domestic suppliers who manufacturer liquids don't hide what they use. However I am beginning to think that what may be something that won't harm you by ingesting it, inhaling it is a totally different ballgame. I agree that testing needs to be done and an examination of long term effects need to be hammered out. But I don't think the FDA would be the ones that could do that. Too many special interests they have to keep them from providing an honest picture, like any other government agency with alterior motives in what they do.

    Bestecigs do list the ingredients on their website though

    TOBACCO ESSENCIAL FLAVOR,VIRGINIA <5%
    TOBACCO ABSOLUTE,VIRGINIA <5%
    TOBACCO ABSOLUTE,BURLEY <5%
    ORIENT TOBACCO ABSOLUTE,TURKY <5%
    NICOTINE (FROM TOBACCO LEAF) <1.2%
    2,3,5- TRIMETHYLPYRAZINE <1%
    2,3- DIMETHYLPYRAZINE <1%
    2,5- DIMETHYLPYRAZINE <1%
    2-ETHYLPYRAZINE <1%
    2-ACETYLPYRAZINE <1%
    4-(2,6,6- TRIMETHYLCYCLOHEX-2-BUTENE-4-ONE) <5%
    4-(2,6,6- TRIMETHYLCYCLOHEX-3-BUTENE-4-ONE) <2%
    LINAL0OL <2%
    MENTHOL <2%
    METHYL BUTYRIC ACID (2-) <2%
    ROSE OIL,BULGARIAN,TRUE OTTO <2%
    VANILLA EXTRACT <5%
    OCTALACTONE(GAMMA-) <1%
    UNDECALACTONE(GAMMA-) <1%
    PURE WATER <30%
    PROPYLENE GLYCOL <40%GLYCEROL <10%
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    well. i'm still itching. and i'm covered in tiny red bumps.
    i stopped vaping for a few days but didn't see any change. maybe i'm off base with this.

    no. the flavours don't have any colour to them. just clear. but also no listing of what's in them.
    and i vape vg.
    maybe i am using some pg somewhere that i haven't checked yet. in the carts...hmmm???

    i'm gonna take everything apart. do a good cleaning of all the carts and attys and start from scratch.

    and...i guess i'm off to the doctor this week to have a closer look. maybe i have bed bugs and just don't wanna go there...

    i do like the idea of cutting out lactose as well as other histimine foods and drinks. i have tried to cut down this week but didn't give it as close a look as i could have. giving up red wine is like giving up my two front teeth, but for a week or so more, i guess i could manage.

    it just makes me crazy though. vaping and new flavours is the only thing i have changed. i don't eat anything new. no new soaps. no new cleaners. same dog. same...well...same everything.

    sigh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pooper View Post
    well. i'm still itching. and i'm covered in tiny red bumps.
    i stopped vaping for a few days but didn't see any change. maybe i'm off base with this.

    no. the flavours don't have any colour to them. just clear. but also no listing of what's in them.
    and i vape vg.
    maybe i am using some pg somewhere that i haven't checked yet. in the carts...hmmm???

    i'm gonna take everything apart. do a good cleaning of all the carts and attys and start from scratch.

    and...i guess i'm off to the doctor this week to have a closer look. maybe i have bed bugs and just don't wanna go there...

    i do like the idea of cutting out lactose as well as other histimine foods and drinks. i have tried to cut down this week but didn't give it as close a look as i could have. giving up red wine is like giving up my two front teeth, but for a week or so more, i guess i could manage.

    it just makes me crazy though. vaping and new flavours is the only thing i have changed. i don't eat anything new. no new soaps. no new cleaners. same dog. same...well...same everything.

    sigh!
    WOW! I sure hope you can figure this out. And, sorry if it sounds icky, but you really can't rule out bed bugs!!! There is some sort of epidemic of them, but I am not sure if it is where you are.
    Really, good luck!!!!!!

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    I've been allergic to PG all my life - discovered the allergy as a child. It's a topical allergy that causes itcy red bumps, kind of like poison ivy. I've always had to read labels, especially on skin care products that go on my face. Once I used an apricot facial scrub and my face was so swollen I had to take steroids.

    But I've never had problems (that I've noticed) with PG in food products so I didn't pay much attention when I started vaping. After the first few days, my face broke out like a teenager and I had SERIOUS bleeding gums. I switched to VG and it made a big difference. I still have some facial breakouts, but I'm pretty sure it's due to the PG in the flavors. I'm gradually going DIY with flavorings that are completely PG free.

    It takes time for the PG to work it's way out of your system and for your system to stop "reacting". One quick way to tell if it's the PG is to dab some on the sensitive skin inside of your elbow. If you break out in a rash - you're allergic. Put cortisone cream or benedryl cream on it to clear it up afterward.

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    Well I have recently developed a rash and also aching knuckle joints in the fingers. They only thing I have done different vaping wise was switch to vaping Halo liquids. Ugh!!!!!!! I hope that there is not something in their liquid that is causing this. I stopped vaping it yesterday to see if the rash and knuckle aching goes away. I had been vaping Halo going on a month now and three days ago I broke out. Halo is all I have really vaped the last couple of weeks. ::sigh::

    I may just stop ompletely for a week and see if it clears up that way. God I hope I can go a week without vaping.

    Does anyone think I may have developed a allergy to PG or whatever is in their liquid?

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    wahooo!

    no bed bugs! no other disgusting little critters! just a plain ole allergy!

    took my flavours in to my allergist. did some playing around with them. got a pricking of a minuscule amount of several into my skin on my arm.

    am allergic to flavourart flavours...
    guess why....go ahead...guess.

    yup

    made with PG.



    i had used WAAAAYYY too strong a dilution upon first getting them. almost not even diluted as a matter of fact.

    so...a bit o'cream from the doc all over, a better antihistamine, no more flavourart flavours (or at least VERY diluted) and less vaping overall and the bumps are disappearing.

    one case solved...



    next question:

    who makes flavours without PG? does this even exist?

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    Well lately I cut my vaping down and the itching/rash subsided. Started up a few days ago and guess what, I'm scratching my arms and legs into bloody pulps

    I found this website today that is all about allergies to PG Glycol Allergy Some may find this website helpful.

    I really hope I don't want to stop vaping, but if there isn't a solution to this problem, then I may have to. I'm not too keen on vaping pure VG for a long period of time, as there really is no long term study on vaping a liquid that is more for skin care than an inhalant. At least PG had been studied extensivally and we know the effects. I'll keep experamenting a bit to see what I can find.

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    Regarding PG: I think there is an excellent chance that there will be some even in 100& VG juices. That is because I found a flavour site that sells flavours that are so concentrated you add them in permilles, parts per thousand. And these consist of ~75% PG.
    And I do not assume that the flavours that are used in liquid are always more concentrated than that.

    Of course, it's still a very small amount of PG we are talking about.

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