A Taste Of Lorann Flavors That Are Compatible With Our Atomizers

[Sun Vaporer]

Originally Posted by mixxy

Thanks for doing the research on the caramel color Walrus!
It's too bad that they have to put the coloring in some of the flavors.. but I'm so hooked on the Keoke Coffee that has the caramel color.. I don't think I can give it up now! I've been using it most of the time.. and haven't noticed less vapor or any more atomizer problems than when I just used regular commercial juice. After reading the Sun likes the Tropical Punch (that has both blue & red coloring) I just might have to at least try mine. I bought some without noticing it had coloring, and the store I buy from won't take returns.

Mixxy--Yes I did try the Tropical Punch with Color but everyone gave it the big no no--As I said to Wally tonight--I am not buying that theroy any more and am going to start using them again--talk about a great flavor---Sun

[mixxy]

Originally Posted by Sun Vaporer

Mixxy--Yes I did try the Tropical Punch with Color but everyone gave it the big no no--As I said to Wally tonight--I am not buying that theroy any more and am going to start using them again--talk about a great flavor---Sun

Okay... you convinced me! Going to mix up that Tropical Punch!

[MARK4567]

Ok First off I am not a chemist. I do work with chemicals (oxidizers mostly) for work.
Red#40 is what is known as a "coal tar" dye or "azo" dye and chemically named 6-hydroxy-5-[(2-methoxy-5-methyl-4-sulfophenyl)azo]-2-naphthalenesulfonic acid. Its melting point is 300c. Blue#1 is also a "Azo" dye so they are chemically close . Now what does all this have to do with us? Well PG vapor point is 220c and VG is very similar. Now since our supporting liquid (PG or VG) is vaporizing well below the melting point of the dyes they are simply carried in particulate form (no chemical change) in the vapor.
FDA has said that both red#40 and blue #1 are safe for foods. I am not saying that either of these dyes inhaled into the lungs is safe. BUT and its a big BUT there is no chemical change in these dyes when vaporized in either VG or PG.
Just thought this might help a bit..

Also we were all sucking 4'000 chemicals into our lungs not too long ago (and some of us still do)
So if your fine with that what the hell is a little coloring going to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ejfan1977]

Originally Posted by Walrus

How long ago did you place your Eastmall order? I've got one coming, and was just looking for a guideline.

Sorry, it took me a while to get back to you, it took 9 days for me to receive my order, 4 of those days it was sitting in Customs.

[Walrus]

Originally Posted by MARK4567

Ok First off I am not a chemist. I do work with chemicals (oxidizers mostly) for work.
Red#40 is what is known as a "coal tar" dye or "azo" dye and chemically named 6-hydroxy-5-[(2-methoxy-5-methyl-4-sulfophenyl)azo]-2-naphthalenesulfonic acid. Its melting point is 300c. Blue#1 is also a "Azo" dye so they are chemically close . Now what does all this have to do with us? Well PG vapor point is 220c and VG is very similar. Now since our supporting liquid (PG or VG) is vaporizing well below the melting point of the dyes they are simply carried in particulate form (no chemical change) in the vapor.
FDA has said that both red#40 and blue #1 are safe for foods. I am not saying that either of these dyes inhaled into the lungs is safe. BUT and its a big BUT there is no chemical change in these dyes when vaporized in either VG or PG.
Just thought this might help a bit..

Also we were all sucking 4'000 chemicals into our lungs not too long ago (and some of us still do)
So if your fine with that what the hell is a little coloring going to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is my thinking exactly. See my post on Caramel Coloring though... that's not a health issue... it's an equipment issue. Screw with my health... ok.... but don't mess with my atomizers.

[MARK4567]

Walrus. AKA lab boss. try this put a few grains of sugar in a spoon and heat. wait till it goes past the golden color to dark dark brown..look like atomizer gunk to you????

[Terraphon]

We've pretty well established that our atomizers have the ability to caramelize / carbonize sugars / chemicals that are placed in them...That's what's causing the atomizer gunk / buildup.

I, for one, am not down with putting things into my atomizers that will end up in my lungs as something they weren't intended to be from the start (i.e. I'm going to stop vaping anything with VG in it once I get my shipment of PG in because VG decomposes to CO and CO2 (among other things) when it hits flash temperature. I've also seen it to burst in to flame during tests in my shop / lab which means it's releasing volatile chemicals when it rapidly decomposes.

It's stated that the atomization point of PG 200c so we know our atomizers hit AT LEAST that temp...We don't know what the max temp is AND I guarantee that it will vary from atomizer to atomizer.

Also, I recommend people start digging out the MSDS info on the chemicals in the flavorings they're vaping. Here's a quick snippet from the MSDS for RED#40:

Potential Acute Health Effects: Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant, permeator), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation.

This indicates a POTENTIAL acute health risk in the case of inhalation.

Here's more:

Flammability of the Product: May be combustible at high temperature.

Products of Combustion: These products are carbon oxides (CO, CO2), nitrogen oxides (NO, NO2...), sulfur oxides (SO2,
SO3...).

And, the big one...

Section 11: Toxicological Information
Routes of Entry: Absorbed through skin. Eye contact.
Toxicity to Animals:
Acute oral toxicity (LD50): >10000 mg/kg [Rat].
Acute dermal toxicity (LD50): >10000 mg/kg [Rabbit].
Chronic Effects on Humans: Not available.
Other Toxic Effects on Humans: Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant, permeator), of ingestion, of inhalation.
Special Remarks on Toxicity to Animals: Not available.
Special Remarks on Chronic Effects on Humans:
May cause adverse reproductive effects and birth defects (teratogenic) based on animal test data. No human data found.
Special Remarks on other Toxic Effects on Humans: Not available.

Research is the key.

[Zaxx]

Has anyone used the clove oil flavoring from Loranns? If not, is there a clove flavoring out there that would be okay?

[Sun Vaporer]

Originally Posted by Zaxx2000

Has anyone used the clove oil flavoring from Loranns? If not, is there a clove flavoring out there that would be okay?

Zaxx--the Clove oil will kill an atomizer fast then the speed of light. If I am not mistaken Bickford flavoring has a water soluable Clove that is very nice---here is the link---Sun


See Bickford Flavors

[Zaxx]

Thanks again Sun. I appreciate all the help.