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| Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida
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| ECF Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Oregon
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| Full Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Upstate NY
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Ok First off I am not a chemist. I do work with chemicals (oxidizers mostly) for work. Red#40 is what is known as a "coal tar" dye or "azo" dye and chemically named 6-hydroxy-5-[(2-methoxy-5-methyl-4-sulfophenyl)azo]-2-naphthalenesulfonic acid. Its melting point is 300c. Blue#1 is also a "Azo" dye so they are chemically close . Now what does all this have to do with us? Well PG vapor point is 220c and VG is very similar. Now since our supporting liquid (PG or VG) is vaporizing well below the melting point of the dyes they are simply carried in particulate form (no chemical change) in the vapor. FDA has said that both red#40 and blue #1 are safe for foods. I am not saying that either of these dyes inhaled into the lungs is safe. BUT and its a big BUT there is no chemical change in these dyes when vaporized in either VG or PG. Just thought this might help a bit.. Also we were all sucking 4'000 chemicals into our lungs not too long ago (and some of us still do) So if your fine with that what the hell is a little coloring going to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| I found Vaping Nirvana!!! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kingston, Washington
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| Sorry, it took me a while to get back to you, it took 9 days for me to receive my order, 4 of those days it was sitting in Customs.
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This is my thinking exactly. See my post on Caramel Coloring though... that's not a health issue... it's an equipment issue. Screw with my health... ok.... but don't mess with my atomizers. | |
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| Full Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Upstate NY
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Walrus. AKA lab boss. try this put a few grains of sugar in a spoon and heat. wait till it goes past the golden color to dark dark brown..look like atomizer gunk to you????
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We've pretty well established that our atomizers have the ability to caramelize / carbonize sugars / chemicals that are placed in them...That's what's causing the atomizer gunk / buildup. I, for one, am not down with putting things into my atomizers that will end up in my lungs as something they weren't intended to be from the start (i.e. I'm going to stop vaping anything with VG in it once I get my shipment of PG in because VG decomposes to CO and CO2 (among other things) when it hits flash temperature. I've also seen it to burst in to flame during tests in my shop / lab which means it's releasing volatile chemicals when it rapidly decomposes. It's stated that the atomization point of PG 200c so we know our atomizers hit AT LEAST that temp...We don't know what the max temp is AND I guarantee that it will vary from atomizer to atomizer. Also, I recommend people start digging out the MSDS info on the chemicals in the flavorings they're vaping. Here's a quick snippet from the MSDS for RED#40: Quote:
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Has anyone used the clove oil flavoring from Loranns? If not, is there a clove flavoring out there that would be okay?
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| Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida
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See Bickford Flavors | |
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Thanks again Sun. I appreciate all the help.
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