Thailand to ban e-cigs

[Evil Santa]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

We have a similar, though not as severe, problem in the States. I feel for all of us, particularly those of us who grew up in better, freer times. We, too, look forward to a change in government here. Lordy, do we ever need a revolution.

Fixed that for ya!


But in all reality, i've been watching the progression of e-cigarettes myself. My fears seem to be shared by the bulk of people on this site, and that's the fear of e-cigarettes being outlawed before any thought is given to the potential positive impact they would have on smokers lives. I've been spending a lot of my time educating anyone that is interested, to prep them for when the time comes to fight back and keep e-cigarettes legal.

Smokers and non-smokers love the idea of the device, and i'm generally asked where to purchase one, when i take my njoy out. I'll also explain that they are not regulated by the government yet, and most people think that they should be regulated but not banned.

Anyways - i wanted to toss this out, because public knowledge of these devices MAY save them, when ***** hits the fan.

[TropicalBob]

Interesting edit, but I really did mean redirection. Revolutions are sometimes violent and the outcome unpredictable. Redirection is a course change. I want an America that returns individual freedoms to the states and citizens, yanks favorable tax props from under entrenched big business, puts people first in all considerations. That's not today's America. Redirection is what's needed.

[Instead]

I would like to see the government in the US and other countries test the product and specifically compare it to cigarettes. There is little debate that nicotine can be harmful in certain quantities, but eliminating the other toxins in burning tobacco should be the focus.

[TropicalBob]

James, I wish your idea could come to pass. But it won't. A "cigarette" is carefully defined in U.S. law. It contains tobacco. It burns. Those are two essential qualities that make a cigarette a cigarette. And cigarettes, by ruling of the Supreme Court, cannot be regulated by the Food & Drug Administration (which issued the harsh reports on the dangers of smoking, beginning in 1964).

So what is this e-cig thing if not a cigarette?

It's a metal tube containing electronics and liquid that has but one purpose: Deliver vapor to a person sucking on it. Very simple.

What's the problem? Well, the liquid that makes the vapor contains nicotine, a substance regulated in everything but cigarettes. It's regulated in Big Pharma's inhaler. Gum. Lozenges. Nasal spray. None of those are cigarettes either -- and all were required to have extensive lab testing and government approvals before they could be marketed.

Nicotine is not some benign stimulant, either. It's poison. A very, very deadly poison rivaling any other poison on the planet. It is addictive, so much so that it can only be compared to heroin and cocaine. A thimble full of our E-Liquid would kill either a child or a dog. This is not coffee we're talking about. It's not chocolate. And it has dire, scientifically proven consequences to the body. If you want relaxation of rules, first get science on your side. Emotion is not going to prevail when nicotine is the consideration.

So, bottom line, what we have here is what I've described before: A drug delivery device with the sole purpose of delivering nicotine to addicts. I can't see anyone breaking into smiles over that fact. Me? I'm just enjoying it while I can. Gimme a year on it and I might can break my addiction altogether.

[DeviLFisH]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

6/13/08

BANGKOK, June 13 (TNA) – Public Health Minister Chaiya Sasomsab ordered a study on information of electronic cigarettes to find measures to prevent importing e-cigarettes to Thailand because existing law doesn't cover the new product.

The e- cigarette consists of a cartridge, an atomizer, and a rechargeable battery. It doesn't contain tobacco but it has nicotine, propylene glycol, a chemical used in a fog machine, and fruity taste. Each cartridge is the equivalent of 15 conventional cigarettes.

The public health minister said that although e-cigarettes don't emit smoke, they pose harm to smokers with the level of nicotine higher than found in conventional cigarettes.

He ordered the Food and Drug Administration to conduct a study of e-cigarettes and to discuss with agencies concerned to draw out preventive measures.

Mr. Chaiya said the target group of this new product is young people as they are eager to try a new thing.

He added that the intake of nicotine is approximately 50 microgrammes for each inhalation. The substance can cause harm to heart and blood vessels.

The level of nicotine in blood as high as 25-50 nanogrammes per millilitre can increase a risk of having Ischemic heart disease (IHD). (TNA)

was surprise thailand is a country where they don;t really strict

also same like singapore ban it ..

[DeviLFisH]

I feel funny why nitconie patch or chewing gums permitted in most countries even sg permitted and label as a tools to aid quitting smoking

but e cigarettes is nope...also same contain nicotine and susbtances found in perserving foods....just that without tar and other chemicals.

rite?

maybe it used like a real cigarette and best part can simulate smoke just like real cigarette that why this is the part whereby most health authority in the countries use as an excuse to ban it because it might treated as a fun toy to smoke if minor get hold of it?

[Ludo]

So the e-cig is a metal tube containing electronics and harmless liquid that has but one purpose: Deliver vapor with or without nicotine to a person sucking on it. Very simple.

And the normal cigarette is a paper tube containing over 4000 dangerous chemicals of which tens of carcinogenic killer chemicals, that are burned in order to be inhaled, with one purpose: Deliver nicotine and dangerous smoke (that will kill you for sure), to a person sucking on it. Very simple.

So, what we have here is: 2 drug delivery devices with the sole purpose of delivering nicotine to addicts.
But the e-cig is considered dangerous and the killer cigarette is considered good for sales over the counter.


Wir haben es nicht gewusst?

[TropicalBob]

You have it exactly right. And if the tobacco cigarette were being proposed today for marketing, it would be banned.

But it has history. It has protections achieved by a (lying) Big Industry. It's not our friend, but it has had lawmakers in its pockets for years. That is changing -- but that change won't benefit e-smoking, I fear. What is likely to happen is that lawmakers are going to make cigarettes and other tobacco products more and more difficult to both obtain and use.

The e-cigarette is ... very simple ... not a cigarette and will not enjoy any of the present protections. It's purely a drug delivery device, and the drug has fallen into intense disfavor among a majority of citizens, health professionals and lawmakers. To suggest it be allowed for recreational use in a new product is almost laughable.

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

true and true. The only reason we want it is it's less obviously deadly than the hook we're already impaled on. I ain't counting on a compassion overload...

[DeviLFisH]

geee if ppl in thailand order from online store

and okie been consifcated at custom the buyer will be fine?
next if pass throught and he happen to use in public places will he been fine?