Italy to open up to e-smoking?

**katink** · 06-30-2008, 12:04 PM

A post made elsewhere by Ludo (Janty) had my ears perking up:

"Italy (=Jantyshop about to open there) is waiting for green light from government: they are ahead of european legislation there and will be allowing 6mg to be sold freely"

So... perhaps not áll doom-and-gloom in the world of e-smoking after all then; this is one ray of sunlight like we have been wanting to see

**TropicalBob** · 06-30-2008, 07:07 PM

We really need ONE country to say this is a good thing. Just one to get e-smoking started. I hope Italy is the one. It might spur others.

But 6mg max? Oh my. Might as well smoke Bickford flavors.

**katink** · 07-01-2008, 12:46 AM

Agree: one is what we need. For starters. I hope myself it will be Malaysia first, setting the norm, because we know that our own Jim, who knows what we need, is behind it then

Still: Italy alongside wouldn't be bad... also because it is in the group of 24 countries, none of the others having legislation on this, so with a good chance of having them follow the one that does... and guess thén we will need Jim's influence through Malaysia or who knows straight on even, to get them to take the next step and change it to what we need to let it really work as needed...

Getting the devices in without trouble is one big step that will allready be taken then though, which will win a lot of time, so less for Jim to do after that

(Poor Jim, being sent around the whole world allready

)

And when a whole group of countries lets it in... small chance US will be able to keep it out thén, I would think.

**TropicalBob** · 07-01-2008, 01:11 AM

You read what happened to Dr. Loi, right? The government essentially turned against him. The One Good Man is on his own.

**katink** · 07-01-2008, 03:00 AM

I think I have some idea of what is happening to Dr. Loi. What a darn hard time he is having; and just how much courage he is needing... and showing. Courage ánd hope.
Hope is a strong motor TB: and accompanied by courage and resourcefulness it can get people a long way. Lets see, and show some faith in... and/or hope for... what could happen. In Italy; in KL.

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**edwink** · 07-02-2008, 08:46 AM

Hi Katink, Can you post the URL of this piece of information please? I'd like to read the full story, if Italy is going to be the first country making e-cigarettes legal.

Also is this being covered in any Italian news (hopefully there's an english version...)? Thanks heaps.

Originally Posted by katink

"Italy (=Jantyshop about to open there) is waiting for green light from government: they are ahead of european legislation there and will be allowing 6mg to be sold freely"

**Ludo** · 07-02-2008, 06:53 PM

We will get permission for sales in 20 days... the test results for the cartridges was ok, we'll have all certificates needed for Italy and therefore for Europe. Coz that's how it works, once a European member state gives the green light, the rest will follow :-)

**katink** · 07-03-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by edwink

Hi Katink, Can you post the URL of this piece of information please? I'd like to read the full story, if Italy is going to be the first country making e-cigarettes legal.

Also is this being covered in any Italian news (hopefully there's an english version...)? Thanks heaps.

I'm sorry I couldn't answer this before now Edwink (couldn't get into new forum).
But I was refering to a post from another forum: no further background story along with that, but post was from someone who should be knowing what he was talking about... and that someone meanwhile answered you

**TropicalBob** · 07-03-2008, 07:32 PM

Ruyan, I view your company as the only one in the world with the finances and clout to get e-smoking accepted by governments. You probably stand alone with tests from Dr. Murray Laugesen to show purity of liquid. No other company assures us with lab tests that our practice is "safe."

But the bottom line is that you are selling a drug delivery device that uses a poisonous liquid to sustain addicts. That's a tough sales pitch, and a slow ball pitch of "it's healthier than cigarettes" won't get far. I wish you all the luck in the world in making what you said above come true.

I'm aboard, even if I have to buy a Janty. (And surely no one expects blanket approval of e-smoking devices and liquid; approvals will be model by model, company by company). Italy will approve only Ruyan products, if it approves anything at all.

**Mamba** · 07-03-2008, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

Ruyan, I view your company as the only one in the world with the finances and clout to get e-smoking accepted by governments. You probably stand alone with tests from Dr. Murray Laugesen to show purity of liquid. No other company assures us with lab tests that our practice is "safe."

I read the Health New Zealand study and I must say that this is definitely a move in the right direction. I quote from the summary: "Once on sale, its ongoing safety profile depends on 1)good manufacturing practice and pharmaceutical-grade purity of the nicotine and propylene glycol used in the cartridge liquid..." I must say I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. When Janty opens their U.S. site I wonder if they going to have a statement on their site to the effect that they are using good manufacturing practices and the cartridge liquid contents are pharmaceutical grade. Or do they already state this and I'm not aware of it?

I would definitely choose a manufacturer who states this over one who doesn't. I would still like to see the actual vapor produced by the devices tested, but in the meantime I would be relatively happy with a statement that the cartridge contents are pharmaceutical grade. This is a statement of quality which I think any discerning e-smoker would appreciate. I will continue to e-smoke cautiously until manufacturers are readily willing to state the quality of the liquid we are inhaling.