FDA -- Unapproved yet, but remain on the market until replaced by an approved version

[Letzin Hale]

I cut the piece below from an earlier post I sent to the WTF.

I envisage a situation where ecigs will be given a stay of execution with a time limit to conform to certain standards but it would take a year at least for any Government body to be set up, investigate and report. Then there would be questions about the report, then revisions and finally new legislation would be drawn up - or existing legislation amended to include ecigs. So, 2 years for all that then a year to comply, by which time the Pharmacy companies and Big T will have their products on the market all tested and licenced and will possibly have exercised their influence to make the qualifying standards so high and stringent that many will not be able to meet them. Then again, I'm a cynical ******!!
Alan.

[Fox3]

I cut the piece below from an earlier post I sent to the WTF.

I envisage a situation where ecigs will be given a stay of execution with a time limit to conform to certain standards but it would take a year at least for any Government body to be set up, investigate and report. Then there would be questions about the report, then revisions and finally new legislation would be drawn up - or existing legislation amended to include ecigs. So, 2 years for all that then a year to comply, by which time the Pharmacy companies and Big T will have their products on the market all tested and licenced and will possibly have exercised their influence to make the qualifying standards so high and stringent that many will not be able to meet them. Then again, I'm a cynical ******!!
Alan.

If you are, you aren't the only one . All you got to do is watch the show they put on in general and that will make you cynical...

[WillPower]

So my NJOY distributor is technically afoul of the law, but I can order from Ruyan and other overseas suppliers without worry? Hmmm, sounds very regressive to me, in an economy where we want as many people on our OWN shores making money as possible!

~~Cheryl

NJoy and SE are way out there in the middle of gangland with bull's eye tattoo'ed on their forehead. Puresmoker seems to sanitize their site quite a bit. I think it would be difficult for FDA to go after them.

Speaking of the economy, could any American come up with a better, user friendly e-cigs or accessory? I like my DSE901, but I can't imagine this is as good as it gets.. 2 ml liquid reservoir plus Trog's SD like battery system... you know...

I think some guy in China owns the patent to e-cig. Maybe it's the time for Americans to starting ripping off Chinese patent/copyrights. They have been doing that to us for decades...

[LuckyCharm]

I think some guy in China owns the patent to e-cig. Maybe it's the time for Americans to starting ripping off Chinese patent/copyrights. They have been doing that to us for decades...

Is there some kind of agreement between countries to honor patents? I would think that a patent filed in the USA could be enforced here, but not overseas. And this is SUCH a fertile market -- I've had four people this week ask me to send them more info on how they could get their own! This is America, dammit -- we can do this, and so much better than the Chinese!

~~Cheryl

[Vapor Pete]

Wow! I was really thrown back when I saw the headline to this thread! Damn!
My best,
-VP

[Faethe]

I read these threads and keep thinking "Stockholm Syndrome". Still, the FDA are in a position to do us all a lot of good if only they would stop with the power grabs.

I read the internet and think most American commenters have stockholm syndrome.

......... is a weed you can grow in your yard. It's not something that requires processing. But if you grow it you go to prison.

These ecig things or 'pv's you decide to use based on your own research and experience. Somehow that's less than what a government agency determines.

Many people die in this country because therapies, drugs and treatments are denied to them. It's not like there is a warning about it - to get these things will result in prison. It's one thing to warn, another to confiscate and punish.

We live at the behest of what a government agency thinks and this agency is far from neutral. Influences are brought to bear on it that sway decisions. To accept that is to accept that you do not know what is best for yourself, or that a professional you've engaged does not know best.

These agencies were created to warn, not substitute your own intelligence. Everytime you see logic in the irrational behavior they exhibit, you sacrifice your own determination. You are an adult. You are responsible for your own decisions. No one else is.

[strayling]

Agreed 100%, Faethe.

[Boston George]

NJoy and SE are way out there in the middle of gangland with bull's eye tattoo'ed on their forehead.

I agree about SE. Njoy on the other hand, knows how to play the game.

[WillPower]

Pardon me.. I am going to rant and vent a bit here...

I hate government intervention. I can't think of anything ran by government that did well. Granted, however, they did sometimes stop a few things from getting really bad (didn't make them great).

Having said that, I am sure everyone has bought and seen this, e-liquid bottle that labelled like "marl-bro" or "Coffee 11mg." Cooooome-OOOON, suppliers! YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT! How about little warning, better label, or something?

Don't get me started on age verification. Paypal is all it takes to buy e-cig and e-liquid. It is even worse than wine.com! It takes only a few pictures on newspaper or a few minutes on 60 Minutes, that shows a bunch of teens and pre-teens casually enjoying their e-smoking, to make any lawmakers sorry the day that support e-cigs!

YES. Minors could smoke analogs too, but at least that's enforcement problem. Lawmakers didn't give a moratorium or exemption so that tobacco companies can do whatever they want to do, well at least not recently.

So, do us all a favor. Next time you order something from e-cig vendors, send them an email asking them "Help us help you keep e-cigs on the market. Please say YES to self-regulation!"

Mr. and Ms. Suppliers! We are on the same boat. How about start rowing toward the same direction?

oooh .. I feel better. I just had to get that off my chest. Don't mind me.. Nothing to see here.. Move on...

[LuckyCharm]

So, do us all a favor. Next time you order something from e-cig vendors, send them an email asking them "Help us help you keep e-cigs on the market. Please say YES to self-regulation!"

Good point!