FDA -- Unapproved yet, but remain on the market until replaced by an approved version

[b00stzx3]

I've often repated this, but here it goes: They're are PLENTY of things banned by the Gov/Fda whoever, but thanks to the marvels of international commerce and the internet, you can get anything you want, ban or not. How do people order Viagra online? Painkillers? Counterfeit Prada bags, counterfeit Oakleys, Mod chips (piracy!!), overseas NRTs? Some of my nicotine gum came from other countries, and different brands that aren't sold in America. I've seen arguments that Customs/FDA can stop E-cigs from coming in. If so, how come they can't stop all the before mentioned goods from coming in? Counterfeit goods are illegal, and yet I can order "Foakleys" or "Faybans" or a "Burberry" purse for my sister that are all obviously counterfeit and they come right to my house, no problem. Water pipes as well, which are Drug Paraphenelia. If E-cigs were labeled drug paraphenelia, any head shop could sell them without abandon. Maybe the tax issue and threat to the govs tobacco money could be a drastic flaw between e-cigs and the other "banned" items, but I don't see them being able to stop everyone wanting e-cigs from ordering them online and them coming in no problem. Just my .2 cents, I'm no expert, just going on what I know. My old neighborhood had 4 "tobacco" shops that have been openly running for years. Anyone who says you use a 4 foot muilti colored tobacco pipe is lying, but they allow them to sell it. Whats the diffeerence in a 6 inch personal vaporizer? Oh yeah the tobacco shops sell plenty of vaporizers for "herbs or tobacco". In our case, were actually using a vaporizer for legit purpose! Where's the FDA on that stance? Bong makers don't have a lobby, or at least a powerful one. Maybe I'm wrong, haven't seen it yet though.

[ISAWHIM]

The FDA does not approve things, unless they are submitted for approval. However, they ban things, for protection, when shady manufactures bring certain dangerous items to mass-production consumer markets.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for FDA approval. However, going after the FDA is like winning lotto.

You need to go after the manufacture, and let them know there is a strong "American desire for the product, which requires FDA approval."

To date, I have not heard of any company holding submission for FDA approval. As if they did, they would publicize that they are pending FDA approval.

To submit the product for approval requires more than just sending the product. You need to include the use of the product, as that will be part of the FDA approval.

EG... (SAMPLE FDA APPROVAL)

The FDA approves this product for use as directed.

Directions: *One single dose (Mouth-full), of no more than 32mg nicotine per five minutes, for no longer than 20 doses within an hour period.

*Dose based on 180 lb individual who previously smoked 1 pack (20 cigarettes) a day. This dose-level is not intended as a prescription, but provided as a limit of use, which is not to be exceeded by any individual.

Precautions: The FDA has cited that nicotine may be addictive at levels over 300mg of consumption per day. The FDA has also cited that nicotine levels over 600mg of consumption by a 150 lb individual, may be toxic or poisonous. The FDA has also cited that nicotine may cause some birth-defects, and should not be used during breastfeeding or while pregnant. Consult a doctor if you find that any symptoms which may be related to addiction or health. Discontinue use if any problems persist beyond one week.

This product is not intended as a quitting aide, safe cigarette, for use by a minor under 18, or for casual first-time use. This device is only to be used as an oral-flavor delivery device, or for an alternative supplement for those who can not use ignition/flame based delivery devices for vaporized liquids. (Not all liquids contain nicotine, and may contain other chemicals for flavor or effect or longevity, and may not be consumed by the lungs.)

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End of sample...

That is what the FDA wants. You can tell them it is a potpourri device, like a glade-plug-in room scent device. (But you could not market it as a device which goes into your mouth, to inhale.) And that would pass FDA approval... For that use.

EG,...

My tattoo inks are FDA approved... (The only ink with FDA approval.)

However, the FDA has only approved them for fish and game, wild-life. (EG, for tagging animals as a form of identification.)

However, the FDA did not show any significant ill-effects, with the approved use, on those animals.

Technically... You/we are all proof, or part of the approval process. If you report to a doctor, and have it documented that you use this product, and have, of yet, not had any ill-effects. (Recording your use, does, weight, build... etc...)

I would do that any-ways... just in-case ten years from now... or five... there IS some issue. You need to prove that you were sold the device before FDA notice. (Of all the smokers, only those before any published FDA warnings got money from cigarette settlements. The same thing will happen here. There will be issues, there always is. Record it, while it is still possible.)

Vaporizers are nothing new, an neither are any of these home and consumer recipes. However, now they are becoming casual and popular. The BAN is to stop it from becoming a full epidemic, if it does lead to something bad. The company will not pay for billions in damages, which will leave everyone suffering, or the government paying the bill. The USA does not like it when foreign companies use us as guinea pigs. (Not when 23 other countries have flat-out banned the devices. Though I suspect that is because similar issues.)

[DigitalSmker]

Sorry to be cliche, but quoted for truth.
The hell with them all.

Hell yeah!!

[TropicalBob]

A very intelligent post, Isawhim, unlike some here with nothing worthwhile to contribute.

[Vaporpuff]

A very intelligent post, Isawhim, unlike some here with nothing worthwhile to contribute.

Thanks bob...

[kinabaloo]

"The USA does not like it when foreign companies use us as guinea pigs."

Come on, you know the score; this is your choice. This is not fluoride in tap water.

I have an issue with the term 'use us'.

[DisMan]

Have you ever wondered how many times people can have the same discussions over and over and over again?

[WillPower]

Have you ever wondered how many times people can have the same discussions over and over and over again?

Yes. It's like Groundhog Day, isn't it? Didn't I read these or posted these in the other thread?

I think the problem is that a lot of people are pulling others with rhetoric and fear, but none of these directions appears to be of our interest or not viable, just serves them.

Take an example, Godshall person so subtlely pushed us to move to classify e-cigs as cigarettes. Okay! Good for his agenda, Not so hot for us.

Some suppliers want us to write to congress. Ask for what? Total de-regulations (exemption) -- wild wild west, anything goes? Extremely unlikely and that won't good for us either.

Moratorium -- As ISAWHIM said, is anybody even trying NDA (new drug application)? Who has the patent anyway? It won't make sense for people don't have the patent to go through NDA.

FDA can't pull all e-cigs off the market anyway, unless people start dropping like flies. It has to be done case-by-case and they don't have the resources for this.

As a rat in the maze once said: dude, keep the cheeze, just show me the way out of this thing.

[b00stzx3]

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