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    Dr. Elizabeth Whelan, President of American Council on Science and Health, sent the following to the New York Assembly Health Committee;

    Dear Sir or Madame:
    In your Assembly Health Committee, you are about to consider a law banning e-cigarettes.
    In doing so, you will endanger the lives and health of millions of New Yorkers.
    Opponents of e-cigarettes, in addition to raising the standard refrain that children might possibly use the devices, argue that the faux cigarettes are loaded with harmful "chemicals" and that they have not been subjected to safety and efficacy tests.
    And it is true that e-cigarettes have not been through formal efficacy and safety tests that the Food and Drug Administration requires for smoking cessation drugs, and have only been around a few years.
    But any intelligent, informed decision about the legal status of e-cigarettes must take into account these facts:
    • Traditional cigarettes are lethal not because they deliver nicotine, but because smokers inhale enormous amounts of smoke, which contains what's known as "products of combustion." It is the inhaled smoke that causes so many cigarette-related ailments -- cancers, cardiovascular and lung diseases, and more.
    • Critics of the e-cigarette claim it is a "nicotine-delivery system." Well, they got that much right. But again, it's the smoke that kills, not the nicotine. Yes, nicotine is highly addictive, and, in fact, that is what keeps the smoker hooked. But getting the nicotine without the smoke is an enormous health advantage for smokers. The e-cigarette’s nicotine inserts come in various strengths and users can adjust them as they wish.
    • The government has approved other nicotine-delivery systems to help smokers quit, in the form of gums and patches -- but they have been abysmal failures, primarily because the dose of nicotine they deliver is so low. The smoking cessation rates using these devices is less than 15 percent after one year, putting millions of addicted smokers at risk of a premature, lingering death. We desperately need other alternatives.
    • Hundreds of thousands of former cigarette smokers nationwide -- or more -- are now using e-cigarettes -- a product that offers some, if not all, of the "social amenities" of the real thing -- holding the cigarette, taking a drag, seeing a plume of "smoke."
    And for those who would want to condemn e-cigarettes with the claim that children will use them, here are three responses:
    1) E-cigarettes are exclusively marketed to addicted smokers who are desperately seeking a way out of their deadly habit;
    2) The price alone ($60-$120 for the start-up kit) would be enough to deter them; and
    3) Studies show that it is rare for teens to initiate nicotine use via nontobacco products instead of cigarettes.
    Cigarette smoking remains the leading cause of preventable disease and death in our country. Any alternative acceptable to addicted smokers should be taken seriously. Instead of condemning e-cigarettes based on unscientific and even hysterical allegations, we should be encouraging the government to sponsor studies evaluating its safety and efficacy, while leaving it on the market in the interim.
    These device allows smokers to inhale and get the dose of nicotine they crave. Each inhalation triggers the release of a tiny amount of water vapor and propylene glycol (a non-toxic substance) that looks remarkably like smoke, but dissipates quickly and leaves no odor. Hence, to vote for the law is implicitly to say, "Stay away from these newfangled, untested cigarette substitutes — better to stick with the real ones, the ones we are more familiar with, the ones that cause over 450,000 deaths annually in the U.S."
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    and word on when the votes is taking place? or results if it already has?

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    That's a fantastic letter written by Dr. Elizabeth Whelan, she should be applauded for such a well written piece as well as fighting for our civil rights.!
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    Quote Originally Posted by StormFinch View Post
    Dr. Elizabeth Whelan, President of American Council on Science and Health, sent the following to the New York Assembly Health Committee;
    Now that was powerful.

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    I disagree with her statement that the current NRT offer doses of nicotine that are too low!! That is not true. A 21 mg patch is low?? Chewing 10 pieces of 4mg nicorette is low? I think not. The issues with the NRT or smoking cessation is the horrible side effects! All-to-vivid dreaming, nausea, dizziness, headaches, and for Chantix - depression and possibly suicide. Lovely! I'd rather smoke! And so would millions of others which proves these to be only marginally successful in helping people quit smoking.

    Truthfully, I'd rather vape and I am. I havent touched an analog since I started vaping and have no desire to. THIS is what makes the e-cigarette a valuable tool for smokers to quit smoking. We do "smoke", just without the poisons, or poisoning those around us.

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    Dr. Elizabeth Whelan, President of American Council on Science and Health, sent the following to the New York Assembly Health Committee;

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    Quote Originally Posted by phorbin View Post
    and word on when the votes is taking place? or results if it already has?
    The committee meeting was scheduled to begin at noon. Here is the Assembly rule with regard to public notice of the outcome:

    E. At the conclusion of a committee meeting the committee clerk of such committee shall deliver to the Office of Journal Operations a roll call on each of the bills considered by the committee and on each vote to hold an executive session indicating the attendance of the members and the ayes and nays. Such roll call shall be reproduced not later than 24 hours after transmittal to such Office and shall be made available for inspection by the general public and representatives of the news media in the Assembly Public Information Office.

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    Maybe I'm just reading this incorrectly but it appears that the law ultimately states you can't sell them to minors and they either need to be marketed as tobacco products or an FDA approved cessation device. According to the FDA's multiple losses in court e-cigs are to be classified as tobacco products which would be fine from what I'm reading into that law. Basically it would boil down to correct labelling of the ecig as a tobacco product and not selling to minors. Am I missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassyonemeis View Post
    I disagree with her statement that the current NRT offer doses of nicotine that are too low!! That is not true. A 21 mg patch is low?? Chewing 10 pieces of 4mg nicorette is low?
    Think about it for a minute Sassy. While I agree with you wholeheartedly that vaping is of course way more preferable for many, and I'm one of the many, current pharma NRTs do deliver too little nicotine for some. The 21 mg patch, for example, delivers that dosage over 24 hours - thus a really tiny amount at any given time, and just not enough for a heavy smoker. What if someone who smokes two or three packs a day tries to quit with the patch? They would be getting about a half or a third of the nicotine they are used to getting, and over a 24 hour period rather than over their normal awake hours per day. And no spikes, which is what they are used to with cigarettes.

    While we ecig users do not want to be forced to give up our ecigs, we should not discount that some people may want to go the NRT way, and that choice should be available as well. But if it is, then there should be a more realistic range of nicotine levels available, to allow for sufficient nicotine for those who need more than the current products offer.

    In case anyone's wondering WHY I still have the SD as my sig, it's because I got my first ecig in January 2008 but still smoked for 10 months, until I got my first SD. I have other APVs, but also still love and use my SD (with a Bulli on top). I will be forever grateful to Trog for saving my life!

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    The fact that e-cigarettes have not been officially classified by the FDA to be tobacco products. If this law passes before the FDA does that (if they don't take it to the supreme courtinstead) then e-cigarette sales will be banned in New York, because they are neither approved tobacco products nor approved nicotine cessation treatments. Who knows how long it will take for the FDA to officially classify them as tobacco products? In the meantime, all of the New York-based companies go out of business.

    It's not about marketing them as tobacco products - the FDA has to classify them as tobacco products first.

    Quote Originally Posted by dearler View Post
    Maybe I'm just reading this incorrectly but it appears that the law ultimately states you can't sell them to minors and they either need to be marketed as tobacco products or an FDA approved cessation device. According to the FDA's multiple losses in court e-cigs are to be classified as tobacco products which would be fine from what I'm reading into that law. Basically it would boil down to correct labelling of the ecig as a tobacco product and not selling to minors. Am I missing something?

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    Sad news. Bill passed. Ban till FDA rules on health issues. Does this mean we can't vape in NY? Does anyone question if we are found vaping? Does this mean we cant order online to get the liquids and e-cigs shipped to NY?

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