Difficult times coming

[Astronomer]

I have been doing some thinking ( be afraid, be very afraid ) in general about this legal issue with e-cigs.

It occurs to me that it is in some ways similar to a battle that was recently won against the ATF. It is particularly striking to me as the ATF could indeed become involved here as well. Yes I know that e-cig juice is not tobacco, but the ATF has a funny way of deciding on their own what is in their jurisdiction and what is not.

High powered rocketry recently ( in the last couple of years ) won a multi-decade long battle with the ATF over aluminum perchlorate, basically solid rocket fuel. The ATF had decided this was an explosive, it is not by definition but that didn’t stop the ATF from shutting down business, arresting folks and regulating users of it close to extinction.

It took millions of dollars, and decades of court battles before the ATF was finally ordered by federal court to stand down on the issue. All over the definition of a material ( see the similarity here )

Here comes e-cigs, and we have the tobacco industry, big pharma, the FDA, potentially the ATF and who knows how many other agencies will want a piece.

There is no question in my mind that this will end up being regulated by someone. But there is also no question that the battle will be long… and expensive.

I think we have a rough road ahead, where you are allowed to use an e-cig is the least of your worries… I am afraid it will get much MUCH worse than that.

[N2rock]

Get involved: CASAA | The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association

[Bwig]

I have been doing some thinking ( be afraid, be very afraid ) in general about this legal issue with e-cigs.

It occurs to me that it is in some ways similar to a battle that was recently won against the ATF. It is particularly striking to me as the ATF could indeed become involved here as well. Yes I know that e-cig juice is not tobacco, but the ATF has a funny way of deciding on their own what is in their jurisdiction and what is not.

High powered rocketry recently ( in the last couple of years ) won a multi-decade long battle with the ATF over aluminum perchlorate, basically solid rocket fuel. The ATF had decided this was an explosive, it is not by definition but that didn’t stop the ATF from shutting down business, arresting folks and regulating users of it close to extinction.

It took millions of dollars, and decades of court battles before the ATF was finally ordered by federal court to stand down on the issue. All over the definition of a material ( see the similarity here )

Here comes e-cigs, and we have the tobacco industry, big pharma, the FDA, potentially the ATF and who knows how many other agencies will want a piece.

There is no question in my mind that this will end up being regulated by someone. But there is also no question that the battle will be long… and expensive.

I think we have a rough road ahead, where you are allowed to use an e-cig is the least of your worries… I am afraid it will get much MUCH worse than that.

YouTube - Jerodspc1's Channel, forward this to the law makers.

[pixiedust]

Honestly, I think ATF has bigger fish to fry..

[Net-Cop]

Honestly, I think ATF has bigger fish to fry..

I think ATF is going to be the fried fish after the "Gunwalker" hearings, which might be a good thing for all concerned.

More here : YouTube - PT 1 DAVID CODREA ON ATF GUN WALKER SCANDAL AND POSSIBLE ATF BREAKUP

I'll be surprised if someone dosen't go to jail over this, but knowing Washington they will get a promotion and retire on our money.

Jim