E cigs said hazardous

[Nazareth]

I don't believe any of it either, Dr. Loi. It's all unsupported allegations..

I think we need to take a neutral approach here- neither belief nor disbelief. The Dentist may be able to back ht4e claims up, and she may not- we just don't know, but I don't htink we can just wave the claim away, but also don't htink we can believe it either- not until the doc backs up her claims with clinical reports.

[syntaxterror]

sadly i find this to be true. a few days using the e cig my blood pressure was sky high and i went into a panic attack after a few days.... my body still is not quite right.

[dc2k08]

i tried yesterday to contact the faculty (in paticular the research unit) where the tests were alleged to have been carried out but have yet to recieve a reply. they do post various reports on health issues but have none mentioning this.

the doctor's name is not searchable and it is certainly not mentioned anywhere at the university's site. this article was ran as a headline on yahoo which is strange in itself for such a minor publication to attract this kind of mainstream attention.

the columbo inside me feels it might be connected do big pharm, but I cant proove anything. i am also awaiting feed back from the publication that ran the article.

[icemanmaz]

sadly i find this to be true. a few days using the e cig my blood pressure was sky high and i went into a panic attack after a few days.... my body still is not quite right.

Had you also not had a normal fag for 2 days

[TropicalBob]

Keep us posted, DC. Wanna bet there is no "report," never was any "study"? This is a setup for a ban.

ONLY Dr. Loi and Dr. Laugesen have known studies underway. This is the government of Thailand speaking. Bet on it.

[TropicalBob]

Naz, I said I don't believe it. I'm not neutral on that story and its purported conclusions. You're free to believe or not, as you like. That whole story is poppycock of the worst kind. And not only Yahoo, but Google picked up on it. That's just GREAT publicity for e-smoking, eh?

[20ADAY]

Seems a rather short article, doesntt seem to back up any of its soundbites...

Also Im wondering why a dentist was looking into e-cigarettes, rather than a respiratory or cancer doctor/researcher..

Having said that I would like to here some proper research regarding theses devices.. I feel healthier using my c-cig compared to real smokes, but if there are potentially negative effects I would like to know them as well.

[dc2k08]

What I think is that this begins or continues a misinformation campaign by someone in Thailand's government who doesn't want the competition of e-cigarettes, probably for tax reasons.

didnt originally think of this. it is a possibility.
I do think the last sentence in the report is odd and led me to big pharm theory:

It is better to just stop smoking or do not smoke an electronic cigarette if you are using nicotine gum. They will not help much. Instead it will cause lung, liver and mouth cancers," she said.

a couple of sentences up the gum is also given preference.

She said nicotine released by the electronic cigarette is absorbed into blood vessels faster than regular cigarettes and will stay in the body longer than nicotine chewing gum

The thai government actively seeks to curb smoking by also enforcing various anti-smoking laws as this article reports.

and listen to this....

As early as 2004, concerned at the amount of monks smoking, their packs also started to contain an edict admonishing the public not to give Buddhist monks a smoke.

The new label, proposed by the head of Thailand's National Buddhism Office, read: "Donating cigarettes to monks is a sin.

it is clear that thailand hates tobacco products, but why is a dentist faculty castigating the use of e-cigarettes, a practical and pleasing means to quit the weed while also praising the virtues of gum? well researching this issue, i stumbled apon this qoute from an article relating to the use of gum in asia.

Another beneficiary of the deal was pharmaceutical giant Pfizer, which makes Nicorette, a nicotine gum meant to help smokers kick the habit. Both gums can only be sold by a dentist or a pharmacist

the article refers to practice in singapore, but from a quick search, im fairly certain it is also the case in thailand...so could the hokey study be simply the case of the dental assoc not wanting to loose revenue? and was their "conclusion" supported by the gum manacturers?

this colombo is still emming and ahhhing.

[CaSHMeRe]

holy crap dc2k08 ... VERY nice investigative work ... It all makes sense now ...

esmoking = loss of money for dentist selling nic gum
esmoking = loss of tax revenue for the government

that about sums up the article ...

[Nazareth]

Naz, I said I don't believe it. I'm not neutral on that story and its purported conclusions. You're free to believe or not, as you like. That whole story is poppycock of the worst kind. And not only Yahoo, but Google picked up on it. That's just GREAT publicity for e-smoking, eh?

I wasn't advocating beliving it or not believing it, just mentioning I don't think we can just write it off as false if we don't have any proof that it's false, and can't say it is true if we don't have anythign to prove it's true.

It could very well be a preemptive set-up to sway public opinion with accusations and claims that can't be produced because htey don't exist, but I'd just hate to htink that the evidence does exist that htere are 28 carcinogens, and we just waved it away because hte report came out in Bankok.

If there is evidence such as the dentist claims, then I think we need to confront it head on, and perhaps create juices that contain many less carcinogens to counter the dentist's evidence if indeed it does exist. If it does, we can bet that they will be com9ng out with an anti-esmoking campaign based on these evidences

If it's all crap- then I say Woohoo!