I truly believe that casting doubt, or raising alarms, was the main intent of the article. If you look at some of the responses here, they accomplished their goal. I'm not gonna stress about it at all unless there is some actual research to back it up.
-Dusty-
"Think of life after the jump." -Dustin Hardy-
You need to ask someone who actually runs the department or whatever.
I'm sure one could make e-liquid "with 28 carcinogenic substances, such as
alkaloida, which releases substances that have amphetaminelike effects". It really depends on how e-liquid is manufactured. That doesn't mean every e-liquid would nor that e-cig would be more dangerous than cigs.
After reading that for the 10th time, I think "nicotine released by the electronic cigarette is absorbed into blood vessels faster than regular cigarettes" is the only new tibid of information they learned. Considering your lungs wouldn't be covered in tar all the time, I might actually believe this. I would imagine this can be adjusted easily if need be.
Nicotine increasing blood pressure isn't exactly news.
Nor is higher blood pressure increasing risk of heart failure.
So yeah, this is what I'd like to call FUD(Fear, uncertainty and doubt) flavored with a hint of new information.
excellenty point jigtg- if they are going to ban the devices, they will have to prove every single liquid sold causes the 28 carcinogens (or thereabouts) because as you said- there are many different concoctions of juice on the market. As well, who knows if that study didn't intentionally add stuff to be tested that they knew would show up bad? What juice did they test? What device? Was their device pre-primed at hte factory with the bad substances?
We need answers !!! Not generalizations by some dentist who apparently can't be bothered to provide the evidences to back their claims up.
its like a lot of other information we get-useless and unworthy of notice...i just disregard baseless biased crap like this...forget about it folks.
I'm not concerned about the allegations; I'm concerned about the impact the unfounded allegations will have on those who read this "article" -- and don't know better. Words in print are powerful. And believed. I spent a career with them.
This also tells us a great deal about our enemies. Forget the article; remember the hoopla it caused even among us. It's not a trivial thing.
it didnt cause any hoopla with me,because i disregarded it immediately as unsubstantiated blurting.
but yeah,to the uninformed its pretty damaging stuff...
theres always been propaganda...the question is-what are we supposed to do about it?
i dont think we can do much about this kind of article until a legitimate and comprehensive study is fully completed and published,and gives us hopefully favourable,concrete facts to hurl back...
so we are currently relatively powerless to defend our position against quacks like this.
exactly, because it's the rabid anti-everythingers, the rabid anti-smokers who will grab words liek the article, run to congress with htem and scream bloody murder while we e-vaperers who don't have a powerful voice, will be left wonderign what just happened when the products become banned.- that's beeny my concern as well, s with any misinformation ot info that hasn't been backed up with evidence.Originally Posted by TropicalBob
im not convinced the government is in on the game unless they themselves make a tidy profit from the nicotene gum that is patented by a university professor, made in thailand and marketed by him at universities to students who wish to quit the weed. remember, this gum is sold only through pharmacies and dentists in thailand.
The thai government has prooved to me by their anti-smoking measures that their only agenda is to get people off tobacco, so unless i find that some ministers are connected to the prof or the thai government earns a huge margin of their taxes through the gum, i scratch them off the list. what i would like to do is investigate the professor which i will try to...still no returned mails by the way.
Keep at 'em, DC. But read Dr. Loi's posts when his study was effectively shut down by the Thai government. It's all about money. Thailand is very anti-cigarette, yes, but it will also be very anti e-cigarette. Bet on it. This might just be a rogue researcher looking to kick up sales of nicotine gum, but I still smell something stronger than that ...
You still haven't been able to confirm this "doctor" even exists, right?
yeah bob, dr bluejeap does not exist outside of that article and nor does the odd surname "bluejeap". I was not aware of Dr loi's posts about the restrictions the thai government put on his research. thank-you for making me aware of them. are they located in the forum? i will try to find them and take them into consideration.
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