Do We Need To Stock Up Because Of The Ban?

[JebGipson]

I am stocking up as much as I can afford to, which is sadly enough for maybe 6 months so far... maybe 6. (sighs) but if the ban goes through I at least will be attempting to do some overseas ordering. I believe it was Abraham Lincoln who said "If a law is unjust it is our duty to break it" (paraphrasing)... or was it George Washington?... hrm... need to look it up.

[AngusATAT]

I just bought an extra 300ml of juice. That should last me a little while.

Next order will be more attys. I have Chuck and extra batteries. I think I'm on my way to having a pretty good stockpile.

[Vaporer]

I picked up 500ml of 48mg flavorless from myfreedomsmokes. Great price.
That will cut to 1 ltr of 24mg juice!
I wish someone would come out with the secret tobacco flavor formulas for 555, Hilton, Flu Cured.......I don't think Homeland Security knows it.

Well.....looks like I'm another list now , oh well.....I will NOT share with them if they stop by.

[poetman]

Hi,

That was Henry David Thoreau; from his essay 'On the Duty of Civil Disobedience'. It originally was under a different name and had a few different but similar titles. Of course it had awesome ramifications directly influencing Mohandas Gandhi, Martin Buber, Leo Tolstoy & Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. to name a few, as well as many American college students in the 1960's -'70s. The actual quote is:

"If the injustice is part of the necessary friction of the machine of government, let it go, let it go: perchance it will wear smooth--certainly the machine will wear out. If the injustice has a spring, or a pulley, or a rope, or a crank, exclusively for itself, then perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine. What I have to do is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn."

It is often paraphrased as:

"If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobedience, 1849"

[poetman]

Kristin,

I agree. A "sin" tax for choice would be better than a script.
The problem with the FDA is the nic levels.
If they follow their track record the level would be to low to help all but the people who most would consider don't smoke.

Then it becomes just another expensive failed FDA approved product we've all come to try and end up not using since it doesn't work long term.

The cruel and unusual financial punishment inflicted upon the impoverished American citizens in America has always been unethical and utterly and ruthlessly immoral.

To forcibly require the impoverished due to their financial inability to to become Saints has never been equitable, ethical, fair, just, compassionate or morally upright.

I recall being homeless in the 1990's due to a set of misfortunes and circumstances completely outside of my control and not because of any lack of responsibility or personal integrity on my part.

There were times the only way i was able to get my daily tobacco smokes was to raid public ashtrays (Hotels, Hospitals 7 airports seem to be the best).

The idea to legislate via taxation: wisdom/foolish choices has nothing to do with morality or Sin as defined in scripture which has to do only with the violation of the Spirit of Truth and not with the violation of the spirit of wisdom. To violate truth in some form is sin in some form; however to violate wisdom in some form is foolishness in some form or to be unwise. they are not the same and very different consequences too. The foolish among us are not by their violation of wisdom 'locked out of 'heaven' for example. To force tax against the impoverished for their unwise choices that they were/are unable to rectify (can't quit); is a terribly cruel and utterly ruthless and immoral punishing of those already suffering great hardship.

No Sin Tax is my vote.

Plus, with Vapor it makes no sense at all for Vaping is not an activity (especially when Nicotine free) that can at all be defined as foolish or unwise in anyway (in terms of our present understanding - No Toxins).

I'm still poor living on 730.00 a month for all my expenses, and have been vaping now all this month and been tobacco free for the past 21 days and loving it. I do NOT have the finances to stock pile very much stuff although I do have fluid for the next 3 months.

I love Vaping much better then tobacco and finally after over 30 years of 2 packs a day I am free of it.

The government has no right but only wrongness to impose unjustifiable hardships upon us former tobacco smokers trying to renew a healthy, affordable and enjoyable life again with Vaping.

If they ever do start Taxing us like they do with tobacco that would be the great SIN here.

I also suffer from a serious disability and thus exist on a fixed and and very low income with little chance of significantly changing that for the better any time soon.

Vaping has already helped me in terms of my illness too. So speaking from one formally on the streets and for the genuinely disabled living throughout america and the poor in general for those of us who are/were unable to quit tobacco but can switch this Sin Tax has always been an incredibly unjust and unfair burden to those who are the poorest within America and has never been ethical, nor moral but quite the opposite.

[Conifer]

Hello everyone,
This is an awesome community and I am grateful for the forum and all the great information you all provide. I am 42yo and have smoked a pack a day for about 30 years. I am a nurse and I recently had a patient who turned me on to pvs.

I initially got the SE 9.95 "deal" a few days ago, which I quickly found out was not such a deal, but maybe the over-price will help in the fight they are in with the FDA. I have since ordered a VK which should be here today.

I guess I ignored, the area of the forum regarding the ban until recently. After reading that whole thread, it almost has me wishing I had never heard of the e-cig. It's so depressing to find something that is so liberating (down to 4 analogs a day) only to find that it's going to be taken away soon.

At first I just turned off the my comp and smoked a half a pack and hated for a little while. Then I came back to the forum and read some inspiring posts and decided to jump in with both feet.

Now I am trying to stock up, but since I am so new at this I don't have a clue what enough even looks like. The order from V4L is the pcc/charger, 10 cartomizers, and a pass through. Yesterday I ordered 4 901 atomizers (I read they will fit the VK) and a 5pack of empty carts from RMV, and a 30ml bottle of 60mg flavorless from Nhaler.

After my stuff gets here today I plan to try the flavers I got (coffee and pear) and then try to choose what liquids to order.

Money is running low now and I don't know how much time is left before we can't order anymore so I am feeling frantic. Can someone help me focus on what I really need? Is there something I am not thinking about. This adventure started for me last Saturday! Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated!

Thanks all,
Kelly

[highping]

Kelly.. Welcome to Vaping!! It sounds like you are stocking up on the right stuff. I think getting lots of atomizers is important. Batteries are also somthing that will eventually fail. However, you can prolong the life of your (portable) batteries if you get a usb passthrough for home and office use. Personally, I like a passthrough with an inline battery. That way I can pull off and take it with me. The inline batt usually has about three times the life of a stock e-cig battery. In my case I decided to go with a big battery mod (a Chuck for me, but there lots of different choices). The big batt mods use standard batteries that will never be effected (affected?) by a ban.
As far as the juices, I would get many samples from different places and find what you like before stocking up (I've got a dozen bottles in my fridge of flavors I don't really like). Johnsoncreeksmokejuice has a sample pack for $21 that I would recommend. There also lots of other sites that sell 3ml samples. Once you find some flavors you like those 4-analogs a day will probably taste like dog ****. I know they did for me
Hope this info helps.
BTW: be careful with that 60mg stuff

[PaulZ]

even if the ban goes through, they'll do tests.. find out its actually safe if people have quality stuff.. and put regulations for testing (good for us because its safer that way) and we'll be fine.

if they do comprehensive tests and this is worse for you long run than smoking (highly HIGHLY unlikely.. actually nearly impossible) then they've saved all our lives (psh.. yeah..)

[Vaporer]

Welcome Kelly.
The main thing to stock IMHO is e liquid and atomizers. Attys will fail since its a heating coil. Some last a long time some only a week. Batteries go bad too, but many people make mods that use the fitting off an e cig battery and it goes to a easily obtainable battery. You can see them in the Mods section.
If you like non tobacco flavors flavorless e liquid can be purchased much cheaper in bulk.

PaulZ, The problem with FDA approved NRT's is they keep the levels so low they arent effective. Most estimate 2 yrs for FDA approval. Normal is 7-9 yrs in the US, but all the ingredients have been tested. Seems there is more of money loss to BT an BP involved.
The e cig has drawn way more attention in a bad way than it ever should have.

[BigJimW]

I've created a private, invite only section on the Association of Personal Vaporers forum that discusses just these things that will go on in a post ban world. After reading the comments and emailing Chinese manufacturers regarding what will happen, I was amazed. I am much less fearful now, even if the FDA goes to town.

Why? Well, part of the reason is the overtaxed FDA. They're underfunded, understaffed, out of over 300 Chinese manufacturers of drugs that are imported into this country, only 7 or so were actually inspected due to lack of manpower. They are inept, slow, eager to approve dangerous drugs and devices, slow to recall that approval. Many dead people later, peoples faith in the FDA has waned to the point that even non smokers know the deal with their ban on the e-cig.

The Chinese have the art of getting something to it's destination down to a science, regardless of the means nessisery. In the end, the only thing this "ban" will effect is the large shipments destined to large distributors like N/Joy and Smoking Everywhere. Those will be seized.

But the reason I do not speak of great details here on ECF is because of the "eyes" that read this forum every day. You can be rest assured Banzhaf and the rest of his flunkies read this forum on a daily basis. And hence the creation of the private section.

Some of you may not want to travel underground, but if you want to continue, you may have no other choice. We're not the ones who WANT to go underground, but the FDA and ASH leaves us with little choice.

Sure, I think there should be more testing on the e-cig, but not by the incompetent baffoons over at the FDA that have a proven track record of failure. I mean testing from a non interested third party not under any government or manufacturers payroll. I mean totally independent. That is the only way that truth will prevail.

Until then, give me that shovel because, The Underground Railroad, here we come!