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Old 08-09-2009, 05:55 AM   #21
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Wow.. I cant believe the scare that has been put into some people. I personally think you all are seriously overreacting to all of this.. If you have been around here a while you will remember that this happened not too long ago as well, and see what happened??
Nothing except all the suppliers made out like bandits cause everyone thought they needed to stock up and hoard the supplies and juice..
You all need to get realistic here..

Yes, that is my opinion and I am entitled to it!!

Back then we did not have SE v. FDA staring us right down the throat Shreck with a Federal Court Judge about to rule on the fate of the E-cig.

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Old 08-09-2009, 06:09 AM   #22
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Is it going to do any good to stock up? I mean you can only stock so much, eventually your stock is going to run out whether it be atomizers or juice.

Now, if there is a chance that supplies will only go dry for a period of time, then at some point the e-cig gets approved and the supplies become available again, in that case I could see stocking up to get through the dry spell.
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Is it going to do any good to stock up? I mean you can only stock so much, eventually your stock is going to run out whether it be atomizers or juice.

Now, if there is a chance that supplies will only go dry for a period of time, then at some point the e-cig gets approved and the supplies become available again, in that case I could see stocking up to get through the dry spell.
Belushi--Many have calculated their consumption and stocked up for 2 years. Within 2 years, we should be out of the woods.


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Old 08-09-2009, 06:37 AM   #24
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I think that any type of ban, is going to take alot longer, than what u guys think, especially since, the FDA is in court with two of the companies. The court proceedings would need to be finished, before they can ban anything. Even then, there is a thing called appeals. after all that, what can they ban? Batteries, can't be banned, its a battery. Atomizers are a vaporizer, they can be used to vaporize different liquids, not just EJUICE. Basically, the only thing, they could ban is the juice. Even then, most people have started making there own. D.I.Y. This all sounds legitamite. I was told this by some legal reps, merchant account reps. etc. I think it will be at least a year or two, really, That's just my gut. Hopefully, The FDA will have there "studies" done correctly by then. Since, it only counts when they test it. I guess all the other test done in different countries, by other scientists, dont count. Once they find a way to tax, or get the peice of the pie, they think they deserve, all will be fine, just more expensive, that's all. Then again, the orginization could be more corrupt then we really think, and have one up their sleeve. but, let's hope they do honest studies, and go by the laws, and all will be well.
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Interesting, so what are you guys doing, like are you getting the highest strength juice you can find then planning on cutting it with PG from other sources or are you stocking up on the strength you vape.

Just been vaping for about a couple months, but based on off-the-cuff memory seems like I am doing right around 30 ml a month, atomizers maybe 1-2 a month.
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I think that any type of ban, is going to take alot longer, than what u guys think, especially since, the FDA is in court with two of the companies. The court proceedings would need to be finished, before they can ban anything. Even then, there is a thing called appeals. after all that, what can they ban? Batteries, can't be banned, its a battery. Atomizers are a vaporizer, they can be used to vaporize different liquids, not just EJUICE. Basically, the only thing, they could ban is the juice. Even then, most people have started making there own. D.I.Y. This all sounds legitamite. I was told this by some legal reps, merchant account reps. etc. I think it will be at least a year or two, really, That's just my gut. Hopefully, The FDA will have there "studies" done correctly by then. Since, it only counts when they test it. I guess all the other test done in different countries, by other scientists, dont count. Once they find a way to tax, or get the peice of the pie, they think they deserve, all will be fine, just more expensive, that's all. Then again, the orginization could be more corrupt then we really think, and have one up their sleeve. but, let's hope they do honest studies, and go by the laws, and all will be well.

Vaporrich--try to understand the Court process. SE and NJOY requested a Preliminary Injunction to the FDA's embarko, and halting the sale and marketing of the e-cig. That means "during the pendency of the case" --and not waiting till the case goes to trial. The final hearing on this is set for August 17th. Should Judge Leon, rule against them, which is more then just likely as obvioulsy he does not see the "irreputable harm" or he would have ruled way back in April when the case was filed for SE and NJOY, then the embargo powers of the FDA, as well as their ability to halt all sales and marketing would be in full force and effect during the entire trial (since this is a case sounding in equity there is no jury--the Judge is the trier of fact).

So do not count on any long delay. Judge Leon has been holding a ruling in this case since April giving ample time to give notice to Suppliers and all concerned. You will see a ruling on this motion before mid September.

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Interesting, so what are you guys doing, like are you getting the highest strength juice you can find then planning on cutting it with PG from other sources or are you stocking up on the strength you vape.

Just been vaping for about a couple months, but based on off-the-cuff memory seems like I am doing right around 30 ml a month, atomizers maybe 1-2 a month.
You must be an extremely light vaper if you are only doing one ml a day. You are definitely not typical.
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You must be an extremely light vaper if you are only doing one ml a day. You are definitely not typical.
30 ml of juice, 1-2 atomizers. Ah, never mind, I see what you are saying. Ya that does seem light, may be it is a-bit more.

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"Stocking up" is a bad stradegy if you ask me. Eventually your carts will run dry, your batteries will die, your atomizers will fail, and you'll be left with nothing more than sucking on a boiling teapot to get any sort of vape. THEN where will you turn?

Personally, I'm taking the low key approach. I've got my ducks in a row. I'm not stockpiling enough for a nuclear bunker, but I do have a plan to fight the war.

I haven't been stockpiling. I've been planing.
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"Stocking up" is a bad stradegy if you ask me. Eventually your carts will run dry, your batteries will die, your atomizers will fail, and you'll be left with nothing more than sucking on a boiling teapot to get any sort of vape. THEN where will you turn?

Personally, I'm taking the low key approach. I've got my ducks in a row. I'm not stockpiling enough for a nuclear bunker, but I do have a plan to fight the war.

I haven't been stockpiling. I've been planing.
Big Jim--you need a MOD so you can get batteries anywhere and e-liquid so you do not have to worry about carts. The one and only part that you can not replicate (we are still working on it) is those atomizers. Atomizers do not go bad Jim---Like "Old Sparky"--they are there for you.

But knowing you Big Jim--you will be taking Lear Jets to China weekly for your e-cig needs. I heard you found a Guy who will meet you at the Great Wall and drop those atomizers down to you. LOL You are one of a kind Big Jim---carry on!!

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