email I got from the FDA

[rustiangel]

Hey... I got one.. just like this.. I thought the FDA cared about me enough to write me a personalized letter, now i feel less special

[sunray73]

It just goes to show how powerful Big Oil and Big Tobacco is, and how involved they are in making decisions for us on a Government level.

[Straykat]

I'm curious as to whether this is the FDA's job to determine:

"FDA is concerned that electronic cigarettes, cigars, or pipes may introduce young people to nicotine use which may lead to an increase in the use of conventional tobacco products with well-known, adverse, health consequences. "

Exactly what I noticed! Is product marketing or "appeal" with regards to underage influences within FDA jurisdiction seeing as they're a "science-based" government org?

[Sun Vaporer]

Exactly what I noticed! Is product marketing or "appeal" with regards to underage influences within FDA jurisdiction seeing as they're a "science-based" government org?

Stay--That is part of the FDA's statutory powers---it has the ablility to regulate how products are marketed as well as sold.

Sun

[Straykat]

Found what I was looking for on the FDA site; FAQ on the FSPTCA:

"REGULATION
Does FDA now have the authority to regulate tobacco products?

Yes. On June 22, 2009, President Barack Obama signed into law the FSPTCA.
What specifically has FDA been charged with under this new legislation?

This historic legislation grants authority the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to regulate tobacco products. Among other things, the FSPTCA provides FDA with regulatory authority to regulate marketing and promotion of tobacco products and to set performance standards for tobacco products to protect the public health. "


This happens to include...


"There are many requirements with deadlines outlined in the FSPTCA...

• By April 2010, FDA will reissue the 1996 regulation aimed at reducing young people’s access to tobacco products and curbing the appeal of tobacco to the young. "

[breno]

Just a few points, they say they detected diethylene glycol but not the concentrations same goes for nitrosamines.

"FDA is concerned that electronic cigarettes, cigars, or pipes may introduce young people to nicotine use which may lead to an increase in the use of conventional tobacco products with well-known, adverse, health consequences."

Well young people will smoke cigarettes if they want to, it's legal!!

They may also buy 'coventional' nicotine replacement products which "may lead to an increase in the use of conventional tobacco products with well-known, adverse, health consequences", so they are 'bidding against themselves on that point'.

The FDA imply young people will use ecigs because they are *safer* they seem to accept they are safer here.

They make no consideration of the people who already smoke conventional cigarettes
and have switched to a safer alternative product.

Do they really want to encourage young people who want a nicotine hit to get it from a product which has radioactive tar in it?

Diethylene glycol has been found in toothpaste in the USA, I am unaware of a toothpaste ban.

Nitrosamines are found in many foodstuffs, especially beer, fish, and fish byproducts, and also in meat and cheese products preserved with nitrite pickling salt. The U.S. government established limits on the amount of nitrites used in meat products in order to decrease cancer risk in the population. There are also rules about adding ascorbic acid or related compounds to meat, because they inhibit nitrosamine formation.


I think it is significant that they did not say dangerous levels of those sustances were found.


Anyhow a key point is that ecigarettes are likely to lead to a decrease in young people smoking conventional cigarettes, something they fail to consider.

Their whole report really is totally biased and unbalanced and I believe this us a failure in their duty.

A failure in their duty to protect existing smokers and young people too.

They need to called to account because they are not led by science, their report is biased and a shame, they are failing in their duty.

Basically fook'em!!

[TheIllustratedMan]

Stay--That is part of the FDA's statutory powers---it has the ablility to regulate how products are marketed as well as sold.

Sun

Well, there's a difference between how something is marketed and the impact it has on a market. It is within the FDA's power to regulate marketing, but is it within their power to forbid a product that might appeal to "young people", regardless of marketing? If the electronic cigarette ends up being marketed as a smoking cessation device, aimed at current adult smokers as a way for them to quit, and some kid thinks it's cool...

I think I just answered my own question actually... part of the approval process is how likely non-smokers are to use it. Wouldn't want a non-smoker deciding that he likes nicotine, oh no no no.

[tiffytiff]

i started smoking analogs when i was 13! walked in the gas station everyday and the guy sold me a pack, all i want to know was where was the fda on that one??? hmph as a matter of fact in 1987 there wasnt a gas station or carry out in that entire town, that we couldnt get beer OR cigarettes.

idk this whole thing makes my head hurt. it's just common sense.

[Psyko1]

Started at age 10 myself. Now I'm 38, ands I've stated before, I have tried everything under the sun to quit smoking. From Zyban to nic inhalers, patches to gum... None of them worked... then came chantix {won't even look at that one, research the side effects... } 1 day on my PV and my smoking is cut in half. and half the day was waiting for it and charging it.

Today is day 2, out of habit walked out and had my 2 morning smokes before I remembered my PV... DOH! But now am happily puffing on it and feeling fine. I may have another analog later if the withdrawal from the other 4000 chems gets to me. We'll see, might not even need 2.

This thing works great, I'll be ecstatic if after today I can say I smoked less than 5. {1 1/2 - 2 pack a day smoker * 28 yrs.}

Wife and I will be stocking up on all the equip and liquid we can get our hands on just to be safe. If they do ban it, we'll learn how to make nic juice. {Which I'm sure is perfectly safe and will be quality controlled <----- touch of sarcasm} You'd think the FDA would have the brains given a common dog. People who like it will continue to vape and just find ways around the regulations.

Big Tobacco owns the FDA, this has been proven by there own actions. They don't want people to quit. They want people to die smoking tobacco. Or rather they want the tax dollars from people dieing smoking tobacco.

Also what about the people who vape 0 nic juice and enjoy it just for the flavors? They are not ingesting nicotine. Even some vitamins are being made for PV's. We do have rights in Canada and the U.s. the fundamental one being we have the right to good government. Having our government agencies outright lie to us is wrong.

We need to start promoting e-cigs and discussing them with everyone, they use lies and propaganda, let's use truth and propaganda. Start writing local papers, talk to your radio guys. Talk to people and inform them. People are intelligent in a one on one basis. I already have 5 friends who are going to order the set just from discussing it with them. They are also long time smokers wishing to quit.

We need to do all we can to fight the bans they are trying to impose. I mean c'mon California is trying to legalize ......... and ban the e-cig... WHAT?!!?! Where does that make any sense? I plan to do all I can. I am signing every petition and writing letters.

We need to be heard. So let's be heard people.

[Superstargoddess]

Alternative quit smoking methods that have been proven safe? Like the patch that has killed people and Chantix which currently has a law firm running a commercial about, wanting people to come forward and sue that company?

We need scientific data, someone go get Bill Nye the science guy!