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TropicalBob · 11-10-2008, 09:28 PM

Note that when the Wall Street Journal did this Nov. 10 story on the rising interest in smokeless products, e-devices are not even mentioned. As topical as e-smoking might be in England, it's not even a whisper in America. Not on the radar as even the smallest blip.

It will be, of course, and just read between the lines of what the anti's say about smokeless and rest assured they'll say the same about our nicotine delivery system.

Smokeless tobacco becomes a target

Grenage · 11-10-2008, 10:37 PM

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"These smokeless products are likely to discourage smokers from quitting by sustaining their nicotine addiction in the growing number of places where smoking is not allowed"

There was me thinking that the smoking ban was to benefit non-smokers by cutting out passive smoking. I wish these freaks had another bone to run with.

Bertrand · 11-11-2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Grenage

There was me thinking that the smoking ban was to benefit non-smokers by cutting out passive smoking. I wish these freaks had another bone to run with.

At least one lobby group involved in smoking bans intended it to make it more difficult to smoke, and therefore more likely to quit. That second hand smoke is dangerous was just an easier sell.

I have no problem with this. I would like to see tobacco banned completely, since it would be easier for me to stay off it.

Schroedinger's cat · 11-11-2008, 12:53 AM

In October, NIH at Bethesda became "tobacco-free", which means that one cannot use ANY tobacco product on campus (even outside), and this includes smokeless tobacco. I believe that they have enforced similar bans on some medical campuses.

They are not even trying any longer to pretend that this is to protect others. I do not use smokeless tobacco, but I find this infuriating. The NIH excuse is that NIH is the "steward of health", and this is part of an initiative called "following our own best advice". I call it health fascism, but that's another matter....

Tobacco-Free NIH - National Institutes of Health Tobacco-Free Campus Policy

dc2k08 · 11-11-2008, 12:55 AM

Battle ahead for 'cigarette pack' books | UK news | The Guardian

came across that story on my travels yesterday while i was reading some design blogs. it's also semi-related to e-cigs in so far as it describes how British American Tobacco (BAC) went super-nova on a publishing house who had the idea of packaging some of their titles as a large pack of cigarettes in an attempt to market them to folks who were reeling from the smoking ban. one design was too familiar to one one of BAC's brands (in the picture) so they decided to put their foot in.

e-cig sellers take note: dont play off a ciggie brand in an attempt to be cute. it'll back-fire biggo.

e-pipeman · 11-11-2008, 01:06 AM

Sadly when Gordon Brown realises that e-cigs are losing him revenue they will be banned. He won't ban tobacco despite the Government's pious priggish pleading about the health of Britain because , if he did, the exchequer would be even emptier.

dc2k08 · 11-11-2008, 01:21 AM

nah, they'll just start taxing your piss.

Dr. Russell Fell · 11-11-2008, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dc2k08

Battle ahead for 'cigarette pack' books | UK news | The Guardian

came across that story on my travels yesterday while i was reading some design blogs. it's also semi-related to e-cigs in so far as it describes how British American Tobacco (BAC) went super-nova on a publishing house who had the idea of packaging some of their titles as a large pack of cigarettes in an attempt to market them to folks who were reeling from the smoking ban. one design was too familiar to one one of BAC's brands (in the picture) so they decided to put their foot in.

e-cig sellers take note: dont play off a ciggie brand in an attempt to be cute. it'll back-fire biggo.

I doubt BAC will win that case. Besides, those books are rather brilliant in design.

dc2k08 · 11-11-2008, 01:39 AM

i dont think so doc, big smoke are not likely to start something they could loose. trade-mark law is very strict and im sure they are well versed.

e-pipeman · 11-11-2008, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dc2k08

nah, they'll just start taxing your piss.

I'm sure that means something, or was intended to. Please enlighten me.

11-10-2008, 09:28 PM	#1
TropicalBob ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 5,076	Smokeless attacked; e-cigs next? Note that when the Wall Street Journal did this Nov. 10 story on the rising interest in smokeless products, e-devices are not even mentioned. As topical as e-smoking might be in England, it's not even a whisper in America. Not on the radar as even the smallest blip. It will be, of course, and just read between the lines of what the anti's say about smokeless and rest assured they'll say the same about our nicotine delivery system. Smokeless tobacco becomes a target

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dc2k08 4mer 4um Addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: .ie Posts: 1,815 Tweet this post!	Battle ahead for 'cigarette pack' books \| UK news \| The Guardian came across that story on my travels yesterday while i was reading some design blogs. it's also semi-related to e-cigs in so far as it describes how British American Tobacco (BAC) went super-nova on a publishing house who had the idea of packaging some of their titles as a large pack of cigarettes in an attempt to market them to folks who were reeling from the smoking ban. one design was too familiar to one one of BAC's brands (in the picture) so they decided to put their foot in. e-cig sellers take note: dont play off a ciggie brand in an attempt to be cute. it'll back-fire biggo. Last edited by dc2k08; 11-11-2008 at 01:00 AM.

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11-11-2008, 12:53 AM	#4
Schroedinger's cat ECF Veteran Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: North Carolina, USA Posts: 163	In October, NIH at Bethesda became "tobacco-free", which means that one cannot use ANY tobacco product on campus (even outside), and this includes smokeless tobacco. I believe that they have enforced similar bans on some medical campuses. They are not even trying any longer to pretend that this is to protect others. I do not use smokeless tobacco, but I find this infuriating. The NIH excuse is that NIH is the "steward of health", and this is part of an initiative called "following our own best advice". I call it health fascism, but that's another matter.... Tobacco-Free NIH - National Institutes of Health Tobacco-Free Campus Policy

11-11-2008, 01:06 AM	#6
e-pipeman Moderator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Salford, England Posts: 1,775	Sadly when Gordon Brown realises that e-cigs are losing him revenue they will be banned. He won't ban tobacco despite the Government's pious priggish pleading about the health of Britain because , if he did, the exchequer would be even emptier.

11-11-2008, 01:21 AM	#7
dc2k08 4mer 4um Addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: .ie Posts: 1,815 Tweet this post!	nah, they'll just start taxing your piss.

11-11-2008, 01:39 AM	#9
dc2k08 4mer 4um Addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: .ie Posts: 1,815 Tweet this post!	i dont think so doc, big smoke are not likely to start something they could loose. trade-mark law is very strict and im sure they are well versed.