Preparing for the Possible Ban on E-cigs

[tonyph]

unless something realy controversial happens, such as a child drinking a bottle of juice and poisining themselves, I cant see the UK goverment taking dramatic action. What will inevitably happen is that existing regulations will be used to make sure goods are properly packaged and labeled. There may be slight amendments to such laws to cater for the the e-cig. Whether this will be agressively enforced so as to obstruct the product or be a part of natural product development in a growing market is yet to be seen. Trading standards been the main enforcement agency, and I would guess they are already studying the issues. A lot will depend on public attitude and health fears. Hopefully it will be constructive, I like the current raw nature of the product but it realy needs goverments and major companies to do proper health testing.
If by a series of controversial events it does get made illegal, which I think is unlikely to happen over night we should be able to get by. I cant see how you can make the ingrediants illegal. You can grow tobacco, food ingrdiants can't be banned for one potential use and the electronic items would also be impossible. The headache would be not been able to smoke them in public.

[Soot]

Tony - I agree with most of what you say.

As to "dramatic action" - I expect you're right if you're talking about new laws. There are quite enough laws on the statute books that can be used already.

[tonyph]

soot, I read your post after putting mine up ( i got delayed half way through). I thought you put it together much better.

[Soot]

Thanks Tony - I often find half my post written an hour later than the first half.

[Denni]

It doesn't take any time at all to get e-liquid banned: NRT products are a) tested and b) much less concentrated. All it would take is to disallow e-juice above a certain (toxic) concentration to be sold, which makes it useless for vaping if you're used to medium or higher strength.

Kava kava extracts disappeared from the shelves overnight after alarm about liver damage was raised somewhere in continental Europe, despite the fact that thousands of people used the stuff for years without problems.

[tonyph]

The liver damage stories were the sort of thing I meant in the context of something controversial happening. Kava kava extract has been used by as a beverage for thousands of years and traditional consumers appear to have no adverce effects. In europe it was consumed by different methods, parts of the plant which were traditionaly discarded were used by european companies. It was also mixed with other drugs and alchohol by consumers.
We may get a similer thing with e-juice. I am not sure what the situation with Kava kava is now in the UK, but it is certainly readily available. It would be ironic if the original beverage which caused no problems is banned and the stuff made by commercial western outfits is allowed.

tony

[Lithium1330]

Hi to all, this is my first post in this forum, i hope you can excuse my really bad english, i can read it pretty well, but i can't write it too much, well i'm a totally noob at e-smoking just get my first e-cig and to be honest i'm scared to death... i can't believe that i just vap some liquid from god knows where, i don't know what is in there...

This post is very interesting, i think the banning is unavoidable because this really can kill alot of people, all that it needs is a mistake made in China and alot of people could pay de consecuence, we most put more atention to be safe and after that be worry about the banning issue, oooh this is so frustrating i can expres myself, i want to contribuit to this post and i suggest to make our own regulation society, a group that checks the concentration of nicotine on the e-liquids to make it safer, we can try to put together a group of people with the knowlegde to analize the liquid that is sold by the suppliers that agreed to test they liquid just to be a bit sure that what we are vaping will not kill us, lets make the labor that the FDA is not doing.

The hardware is not an issue, we can vap the nicotine even from a cristal pipe heated with a ligther on an extreme case.

Voy a poner mi post en español con la esperanza de que alguien lo pueda traducir, ya que mi inglés es pésimo:

Soy nuevo en esto de e-smoking o vaping y estoy muy asutado al darme cuenta de que ni siquiera sé que fue lo que inhalé ya que el liquido viene sin ninguna indicación, advertencia, o información, sin ninguna regulación y puede contener cualquier cosa y de hecho contiene veneno, la nicotina que en altas concentraciones te mata.

Lo que yo propongo es preocuparnos primero por nuestras vidas y despues preocuparnos por el banning, propongo formar una organización que haga pruebas al liquido que venden los suppliers, siempre y cuando ellos estén dispuesto a que lo evaluemos, yo sé que suena irreal y difícil pero podríamos intentarlo, podríamos intentar hacer el trabajo que la FDA no está haciendo por una u otra razón, eso nos daría tranquilidad a todos los consumidores y además ayudaría a que este nuevo invento crezca.

just my 0.000002 cents.

Saludos!

[SANJP]

Hi not sure what you mean in the top part of the post but definately agree with the last few paragraphs

I think...

[bribri]

Extracting nicotine from chewing tobacco isn't *that* hard.

[Lithium1330]

how do you do it? it's safe? how do you know the concentration of the resulting nicotine?