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DaMulta · 09-12-2009, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krel

Why can't the be categorized like food or Caffeine? Why does it keep coming back to the drug/deliverything when I get more kick from my Redbull in the morning?

No high end sin tax on vapping. Why would they want to end the sin taxes?

ShakaCthulu · 09-12-2009, 10:47 PM

I'll bet this guy voted nay:

JLeigh · 09-12-2009, 11:57 PM

This is very disheartening. I haven't even purchased my first e-cig yet, and now I'm beginning to wonder if I should even bother. Am I overreacting?

Minimike · 09-13-2009, 02:42 AM

PACT Act = insuring the States get their tobacco taxes and sales taxes, pure and simple.

DaMulta · 09-13-2009, 03:04 AM

This is almost funny when it's so sad.

This is what I see as the future.

FDA rules that E-Cigs are like the Inhalor, and should be regulated by prescription only.

or

The the court case between the E-Cigs/Being a Tob product or not rules it as a Tob product.

Yet this new law passes, and more or less stops everyone from ordering E-Cig supplies. Only places that would still sell them would be the ultra expensive mall shops and so on. Plus if it is ruled a Tob product a massive sin tax is placed on E-Liquid at 1usd per Ml if it contains nicotine.........

One way or another we are #@!!ed!

seminolewind · 09-13-2009, 03:17 AM

We could pay an ex-smoker tax.

dragonpuff · 09-13-2009, 03:46 AM

This is just a way for them to ensure that they receive their taxes.

At the present time, its a non-issue for ecig users because they haven't classified our product yet, and therefore cannot collect tobacco taxes on something that's not a tobacco product.

If it is ruled to be a tobacco product, they still have to set up legislation regarding exactly how these will be taxed (by the milliliter, by the gram, per device sold, etc.), so i don't believe those taxes will affect us immediately. Except for any tax that broadly affects all tobacco products, in which case we can just buy in larger bottles to pay less on taxes.

Any vendor that wants to keep their business legal can set up a system on their website that automatically calculates the required tax on every purchase, then all they have to do is send it in. It would be a pain at first, but they'll get used to it and will do it if they wanna keep their business.

My point is, i am certain with every ounce of my being that this will NOT block sales, it will only make them a bit more difficult and more expensive. And on that basis, i am not worried about it because, if the judge decides this is a tobacco product, i will still have full access to everything i need. That is my only concern.

On the other hand, if the judge rules for the FDA, then....... game over

cliff5550 · 09-13-2009, 03:57 AM

Does this legislation mean we should be stocking up only on juice? Wouldn't atomizers, batteries, chargers, etc. be exempt? Guess I'll be starting my stock-up plan, just as soon as my vendor gets stocked up. Hopefully that will be soon .

DaMulta · 09-13-2009, 04:00 AM

Why do they have to block Tob orders from online? Why not just in-force people to pay the state by state tax online? So if I'm in OK, and I order from NY why can I not pay the NY tax, and then the OK tax? I know it would be a bitch to sort all the taxes, but they would be paid in the end.

seminolewind · 09-13-2009, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seminolewind

We could pay an ex-smoker tax.

I meant that we vapers could pay a tax for not smoking anymore!

09-13-2009, 02:42 AM	#24
Minimike Full Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 142 Tweet this post!	PACT Act = insuring the States get their tobacco taxes and sales taxes, pure and simple. __________________

09-13-2009, 03:04 AM	#25
DaMulta Super Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: T-Town Oklahoma Posts: 1,617	This is almost funny when it's so sad. This is what I see as the future. FDA rules that E-Cigs are like the Inhalor, and should be regulated by prescription only. or The the court case between the E-Cigs/Being a Tob product or not rules it as a Tob product. Yet this new law passes, and more or less stops everyone from ordering E-Cig supplies. Only places that would still sell them would be the ultra expensive mall shops and so on. Plus if it is ruled a Tob product a massive sin tax is placed on E-Liquid at 1usd per Ml if it contains nicotine......... One way or another we are #@!!ed! __________________

09-13-2009, 03:17 AM	#26
seminolewind Super Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Planet Claire, Florida Posts: 731	We could pay an ex-smoker tax. __________________ *THINK OUTSIDE THE PACK* *!!!!!!* *proud member of CASAA* consumer advocates for smoke-free alternatives

09-13-2009, 03:46 AM	#27
dragonpuff Super Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 350	This is just a way for them to ensure that they receive their taxes. At the present time, its a non-issue for ecig users because they haven't classified our product yet, and therefore cannot collect tobacco taxes on something that's not a tobacco product. If it is ruled to be a tobacco product, they still have to set up legislation regarding exactly how these will be taxed (by the milliliter, by the gram, per device sold, etc.), so i don't believe those taxes will affect us immediately. Except for any tax that broadly affects all tobacco products, in which case we can just buy in larger bottles to pay less on taxes. Any vendor that wants to keep their business legal can set up a system on their website that automatically calculates the required tax on every purchase, then all they have to do is send it in. It would be a pain at first, but they'll get used to it and will do it if they wanna keep their business. My point is, i am certain with every ounce of my being that this will NOT block sales, it will only make them a bit more difficult and more expensive. And on that basis, i am not worried about it because, if the judge decides this is a tobacco product, i will still have full access to everything i need. That is my only concern. On the other hand, if the judge rules for the FDA, then....... game over __________________

09-13-2009, 04:00 AM	#29
DaMulta Super Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: T-Town Oklahoma Posts: 1,617	Why do they have to block Tob orders from online? Why not just in-force people to pay the state by state tax online? So if I'm in OK, and I order from NY why can I not pay the NY tax, and then the OK tax? I know it would be a bitch to sort all the taxes, but they would be paid in the end. __________________

09-12-2009, 10:47 PM	#22
ShakaCthulu Full Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: North Florida, USA Posts: 33	I'll bet this guy voted nay:

09-12-2009, 11:57 PM	#23
JLeigh Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 260	This is very disheartening. I haven't even purchased my first e-cig yet, and now I'm beginning to wonder if I should even bother. Am I overreacting?

09-13-2009, 03:57 AM	#28
cliff5550 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: West Central Illinois - USA Posts: 281	Does this legislation mean we should be stocking up only on juice? Wouldn't atomizers, batteries, chargers, etc. be exempt? Guess I'll be starting my stock-up plan, just as soon as my vendor gets stocked up. Hopefully that will be soon .

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