U.S.A: PACT Act 2009

[Slickstick]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.1147: <--- PACT ACT

[Stubby]

Is the PACT ACT referring to cigarettes or tobacco? What page is it on?

There has to be a typo somewhere

It's not about the PACT act (at least not directly). The PACT act does not make shipping tobacco illegal. It does put restrictions on it. The confusion has been that there has been statements made that all the carriers have agreed to not ship tobacco products, and that's not true. It should read that the carriers have agreed to not ship cigarettes. In fact UPS quit shipping cigarettes before the bill came up.

I don't know about the others but UPS does not ship cigarettes but does ship smokeless tobacco (and perhaps other types as in pipe tobacco, cigars etc, but I don't know about those). That's where the typo is and likely the source of the rumors.

[Slickstick]

The way I just read that sucker... In 88-89 days will be illegal until the shops abide by the laws. (Merchant License, Childproofing, Taxation), Like a legit business, because it is hurting the current cigarette tax in place. It sort of gives all the merchants 90 days to get their crap together.

[Sun Vaporer]

Did you actually read the above email. UPS does not ship cigarettes but does ship other tobacco products as in smokeless tobacco. No one is breaching any standards. The article is wrong in that it said tobacco instead of cigarettes.

This is a rumor that has been floating around for some time that has no basis in reality.

They (UPS) do ship cigarettes but only for delivery to recipients who are licensed or otherwise authorized by applicable federal, state, provincial, or local law or regulation to receive deliveries of cigarettes.


For shipments not tendered pursuant to an approved Agreement For Transportation Of Tobacco Products: Packages containing tobacco or tobacco products ("Tobacco Product Shipments"), as those terms are variously defined under applicable state law, that are not tendered to UPS pursuant to an approved Agreement For Transportation Of Tobacco Products must comply with the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service, and the terms, conditions, restrictions, and prohibitions set forth at UPS: Shipping Tobacco at the time of shipping. UPS's terms, conditions, restrictions and prohibitions regarding Tobacco Product Shipments are subject to change without prior notice and the shipper shall be solely responsible for complying with the terms, conditions, restrictions, and prohibitions in effect at the time of shipping. UPS does not provide service for, and shippers are prohibited from tendering to UPS, any Tobacco Product Shipment that does not comply with the General Restrictions and Prohibitions set forth in the version of Addendum A to the UPS Agreement For Transportation Of Tobacco Products in effect at the time of shipping, as set forth at UPS: Shipping Tobacco.

AGREEMENT FOR TRANSPORTATION OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS ADDENDUM A*

The terms, conditions, restrictions and prohibitions set forth in the version of Addendum A in effect at the time of shipment shall apply to Tobacco Product Shipments tendered by Shipper to UPS pursuant to this Agreement. Shipper understands and agrees that UPS's terms, conditions, restrictions and prohibitions regarding Tobacco Products Shipments are subject to change without prior notice, and that Shipper shall be solely responsible for complying with the terms, conditions, restrictions and prohibitions in effect at the time of shipping. For UPS's current terms, conditions, restrictions and prohibitions regarding Tobacco Products Shipments, and the version of Addendum A in effect at the time of shipping, see www.ups.com/tobacco.


Sun

[Stubby]

You're right Sun, I forgot about that. I was thinking along the lines of consumers.

[Webby]

In March, we had a shipment held in Louisville for almost two months until UPS offered to ship it back to China (I don't believe they still do that as our case seems to be the exception to common practices)

At the time, we spoke to anyone at UPS that would answer a phone and it seemed that it was a judgement interpretation call by whoever was handling the paperwork. (That was our take anyway) Some said they saw no reason it was held, some said it was policy but no one would go on the record or fax us any documentation to say it was anything but "held for inspection" (although Customs was never mentioned)

We lucked out in getting several thousand dollars in kits sent back and reshipped and have since avoided UPS like the plague.

[littlewing58]

No, those are considered medicinal drugs, with the intent to treat nicotine addiction. Not intended for continued use.

There's the Pharmacutical companies who are probably not a bit happy because the e-cig might hurt their sales of "quit smoking" products. They have a huge lobby.

[littlewing58]

If by "rock" you mean corrupt and oppressive government and by "hard place" you mean greedy parasitic corporations seeking to profit from the exploitation of humanity then yes.

ahh, a man after my own heart ... eloquently put!

[littlewing58]

my daughter who is 18 didn't like the e-cig, doesn't think it's stupid or anything, just rather smoke analogs...why? you say.... because she doesn't feel sick yet from cigarettes, she can still go up stairs, she's 18 and she thinks she's invensible...I didn't want her to smoke at all, but I would rather that she smoked an e-cig any day.

[ladysolitary85]

So then heres question for ya, if you can buy e-cig products online from CVS... your ordering it online, how does that work out?