U.S.A: PACT Act 2009

[newkirk]

Hi Webby,

"For inspection"??? Did you get everything or were there things missing???

I get my insulin pump stuff every 3 months and it's the same thing everytime.. Same UPS guy too.. He says hi by my nickname and knows me, but out of "rules" he still needs to see ID and all.. Kinda silly...

Most big companies, just like governments, end up with lots of 'odd' rules/laws, usually because someone in an expensive suit started sweating and said "I don't care, just do it every damned time and cover our asses".

We have an AT&T repair guy who stops by our office pretty regularly. (not repairs, he's a customer) He's required to put out two traffic cones anywhere he parks the truck. Even for lunch. EVER caught not putting out two traffic cones his butt gets run through a meat grinder.

j

[AngeLsLuv]

Most big companies, just like governments, end up with lots of 'odd' rules/laws, usually because someone in an expensive suit started sweating and said "I don't care, just do it every damned time and cover our asses".

We have an AT&T repair guy who stops by our office pretty regularly. (not repairs, he's a customer) He's required to put out two traffic cones anywhere he parks the truck. Even for lunch. EVER caught not putting out two traffic cones his butt gets run through a meat grinder.

j

Thar ya' go.. Another "Suit" with big moves to save his tushy.. It always suprises me about how the "Suits" can do what they want to cover themselves....

[AngeLsLuv]

OK I did my experiment...

I soaked the pipe toabbo for afew days instead of just one.. Reason being is that it was right next to my cappuchino maker and even though it was staring me in the face, I forgot about it... I put just enough water over it to cover it well...

I then did the strainer/coffee filter straining and found that it took a number of times doing it, because the pipe tobacco splits apart (well soaking it for as long as I did, no wonder)... Make sure you do this straining until you do not have any tobacco leaves in the fluid..

One pounch of pipe toabacco turns out to be not that much when doing this, so I'd suggest to try a pouch once for a trial run and then if you continue doing this, you work with a larger quantity (more on that below)...

With the small amount, I used a tiny frying pan.. The type that you can fit like 2 eggs in... Turned the burner on high and boiled it.. I probably boiled it too much, but since this was an experiment, I wanted to see how thick this stuff would turn out to be, plus my mind was vegged out since I was using a small spatula to stir and scrape it, and got into a "zen experience"

Here's the deal... Either the directions I posted or another one I have somewhere says the same things (essentially).. This stuff turns into thick molassas (HAHAHA! Remember those T-Shirts back in the day with all the moles butts in front view and it said "Molassas" HAHA!!!)... *My Mind!! I Love My Mind!!*

Getting it out of the pan was fun and was glad I used a spatula to make sure I got it all.. I transfered it to the same container I soaked the tobacco in..

Here's where it got interesting.. I attempted to syringe it out of the container, but the syringe wouldn't suck this stuff up, even if I threatened it with spatulacide... I then added a touch of vodka and VG to it so that I could get this sludge out of the container.. I can't give you amounts since they were so slight (I only wanted to losen it up enough so that the consistancy was looser than tar)..

When all that was done, I ended up with less than 15ml of "pre-juice"...

Reading further on this, I decided that since the pipe tobacco is 11mg nicotine and as said "raw" tobacco is differant in mg's, it got me thinking.. Along with this, I have been smoking afew analogs a day again, because I stupidly bought a dozen 18mg-30ml juices and they are just not enough, even though this thing is in my mouth constantly... *** Here ya' go.. Shoot me*** Instead of doing the insulin syringe (based in units *usa*) and dosing it out little-by-little, I just took the ml bottle I put it in and dropped 12 drops into a 18mg bottle I have sitting here (12 drops into the 1/2 full bottle of 18mg juice)...

This is not over-dosing me, I'm not dead... Using drops (same size bottles from the same company), this is a bit too much nicotine.. I can't tell you how many mg's this is, but I'll see later, since I will cut it by 2 drops at a time, or go back and try the syringe method like I was origionally planning...

Also noticed on this forum that one person uses snus, and the other using analog tobacco and they soak them and use the liquid as a tobacco flavoring... Sure, I boiled mine down so the mg of nicotine would be more...

I've learned:

1) Wash the fry pan and strainer a number of times, and with dish detergent and Ajax (or Comet) with bleach.. This is to prevent anyone else getting a hit of nicotine, plus after a handful of washes, you can still smell the tobacco..

2) This is possible to do.. The configuaration is set for each individual..

3) If you like the taste of tobacco, this is cool, but if you were a menthol smoker, add alot of menthol

4) I'd never use the same flavor again.. Caven___Something.. Yucky-Blah!!!

5) Don't use the syringe (needled or needleless) on anything else.. This stuff is really strong and I still can't get the smell off/out of the syringe.. Tried everything except boiling it..

I need a break.. Can't think anymore....

[AngeLsLuv]

Newkirk,

Speaking of "Suits"...

I'm always reminded of the "WKRP" Turkey episode.. During it the guys are all in the "Big Guy"'s office and Les and Herb get into this "Suits vs The Dungerees" since the younger ones there want to take control and the older ones are clueless conversation.. At the end, Les says "you know.. I blame it on Levi Straus"...

**Classic Episode**

[JerryRM]

Congratulations, Jules ! I hope it works out well for you.

[AngeLsLuv]

Congratulations, Jules ! I hope it works out well for you.

Thankys Jerry,

Just wanted to see if it would work (just in case)...

I'm just really suprised that it turns into like sludge it's so thick *LOL*

[JerryRM]

I haven't heard anything new about the PACT Act. I guess they are all busy with health care reform.

[AngeLsLuv]

I haven't heard anything new about the PACT Act. I guess they are all busy with health care reform.

I thought that it was curbed until when they get back from the holidays, and had to go through some more steps???

If we are lucky it will get lost....

[ACM]

(This is a double-post. I put the same in another PACT-related thread).

This is a reply from NY State Senator Kirsten Gillibrand in response to an email I sent her office expressing my concerns that the PACT law might seriously infringe on our right to vape, and to choose a less damaging alternative to smoking. I also sent an email to Chuck Schumer, but all I got from his office was a generic, "we get lots of emails and cannot personally respond to each one, yada, yada, yada..."

Anyway, here's Sen. Gillibrand's email to me:

"Thank you for writing to me about S. 1147, the Preventing All Cigarette Trafficking of 2009 (PACT) Act. While I understand and respect the concerns that you have with this legislation, I have decided to add my name as a cosponsor to this bill for several reasons that I find important.

One of the primary purposes of the PACT Act is to eliminate the ability of minors to purchase cigarettes over the internet. This bill requires that all purchasers of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco present positive age identification upon receipt of the product which they have purchased. This means that an individual receiving home delivery of a pack or carton of cigarettes must show some form of identification, such as a driver's license, in the same manner as if they purchased the tobacco product at a local store. I believe that it is currently too easy for minors to purchase tobacco products online under false pretenses, and this legislation will stop this unsafe practice.

This bill also increases enforcement against the black market sale of cigarettes, which undercut legitimate commerce and cost millions of dollars in lost revenues to companies legally engaged in the sale of tobacco products. Adults who wish to purchase tobacco on the internet will still be allowed to under this legislation; however, those products cannot be carried through the U.S. Postal Service. Other common carriers, such as Fed-Ex and UPS, will still be allowed to transport online purchases so long as delivery is made in person to an individual of legal age.

Though we may respectfully disagree on this particular issue, it is my intent, and that of my colleagues in the United States Senate, to protect the health and safety of children around New York and the United States from the harmful effects of underage smoking. While this legislation may be considered burdensome by some, it is my hope that it will protect lawful commerce and ensure that cigarettes are only made available to those individuals legally able to purchase them.

Thank you again for writing to express your concerns, and I hope that you keep in touch with my office regarding future legislation and concerns you may have."

Maybe we have little to worry about, as the law seems exclusive to "cigarettes and smokeless tobacco", not nicotine juice.

[TropicalBob]

Any further restrictions on purchase and delivery of tobacco products will impact e-smoking down the road, if not immediately. And if the court should declare e-cigs a tobacco product, then the delivery impact would follow passage of PACT.

Please ... never, never use the incorrect phrase "right to vape". There is no such right, by any stretch of the imagination.

We are seeking to legalize a new alternative to cigarette smoking, a safer way of obtaining nicotine without the known health hazards of inhaling smoke. That's a common goal most can support. Even being tactful and truthful, we have out work cut out for us. "Right to vape" makes our practice a joke.