Move this thread to Campaigning?

**Vocalek** · 09-13-2009, 05:22 AM

Which committee did this bill come out of? The web forms are asking me to select a topic, and the only two that might fit this bill are "trade" and "drug" and that's a stretch. At least Webb's form includes "commerce committee."

**Vocalek** · 09-13-2009, 03:53 PM

IMHO, this issue will receive wider attention from forum members if it is moved to the Campaigning forum.

Not everyone reads the Law forum.

**Mac** · 09-17-2009, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Krel

Why can't the be categorized like food or Caffeine? Why does it keep coming back to the drug/deliverything when I get more kick from my Redbull in the morning?

In short, it could be. They could very easily allow it as the UK and south africa has. They could even impose regulations and import taxes to make it an economic booster, if they wanted to. But they don't want to. Why? Well I would speculate that it is because they are greedy, corrupt, evil predators seeking to profit from our demise.
If coffee was taxed at 400% and people started drinking red bull instead I am sure the FDA tests would show red bull to be dangerous addictive and marketed to children.

**degnr8** · 09-18-2009, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Mac

If coffee was taxed at 400% and people started drinking red bull instead I am sure the FDA tests would show red bull to be dangerous addictive and marketed to children.

Unfortunately, tobacco products are all of these things. While tax revenue is undoubtedly one of the advantages the anti-smoking nazis will use to convince senators to vote for it the actual intention of the bill is to prevent children from mail ordering stuff they can't legally buy. We all know how effective internet age verification is right?

**vapn** · 09-18-2009, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by JLeigh

This is very disheartening. I haven't even purchased my first e-cig yet, and now I'm beginning to wonder if I should even bother. Am I overreacting?

No that just means that you should get about a years supply so you can ween yourself off those darn analogs.

**vapn** · 09-18-2009, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by degnr8

Unfortunately, tobacco products are all of these things. While tax revenue is undoubtedly one of the advantages the anti-smoking nazis will use to convince senators to vote for it the actual intention of the bill is to prevent children from mail ordering stuff they can't legally buy. We all know how effective internet age verification is right?

On the subject of age, I can see why high school kids would really want the e-cig. Think about it, you could easily smoke in the bathroom and nobody would know. You could probably get away with it right in class. And your mom wouldn't even smell it on your clothes. So kids under 18 should not be allowed BY THEIR PARENTS to get their hands on these. Now if they were banned don't you think the black market would open up and make it actually easier for them to get along with their drugs? Then you would get thrown in jail for having one on you...?

**ShortyBoo** · 09-18-2009, 06:05 PM

I wish these were around when I was in high school. I used to smoke in the bathroom at school, or I'd leave school grounds during lunch (lots of kids left to get lunch) to have one.

I've only been vaping for like a month and I really don't want to go back to analogs. I would be willing to pay tax on juice, because it would still be cheaper than my old pack-a-day habit that cost me around $140 a month.

I never really did understand, though, why internet orders of analogs couldn't just be taxed. I remember years ago when I was thinking about ordering online (I didn't because my brother did for awhile and they were always stale) something on the news about how people who ordered online would get a bill for the taxes from the state. Maybe this was just Illinois, and it was probably just an idea, but still, it seems like they could do this. So there's really no need for passing this bill. I think more of their taxes are lost by people going out of state to buy more than anything. I know people around here tend to go to Indiana where the taxes aren't as high. I've done it a few times myself.

**End_User-X** · 09-28-2009, 04:55 AM

Regarding the PACT Act, what exactly does "mailable' mean? Just through the U.S. mail? Or does that include UPS, FedEx, etc.? UPS is not mail. The government MUST NOT, and we cannot allow them to, get in the way of free enterprise. We the people. They do what we say, not the other way around.