U.S.A: PACT Act 2009

[DRR91075]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

Take a look at that poll on GovTrack and you'll see the most lopsided vote possible on any issue! (And I hope everyone here voted in that poll and left a comment, which IMO will do more for our cause than soliciting form letter replies from underlings of elected officials!).

That is a meaningless poll. Primarily e-cig users know of it and vote in it. I fear non-smokers will support the legislation. Worse yet, ex-smokers (non-e-cig users) , whom I think we all can agree are worse than non-smokers, will overwhelmingly support it.

[WarrLordd]

America is only free when you have to pay taxes Land of the free...My ass

No wonder there's so many homeless people on the streets if you try to make a small little project and sell it for nothing and don't pay taxes on it then you ass is grass the FDA is coming for ya...

Even granny who's having her yard sale would soon have to pay taxes .. Cause the reason of her yard sale is possibly to pay of some of her debts/taxes ..

I mean some say everything is going to be fine others think not. If we start giving into the FDA things are going to get worst for the e-cig manufactures.

1: Prices will sore sooner or later if FDA controls Nicotine Vaping Products
2: They might splif it with more than enough nicotine so the can raise prices like every other tabacco product they been abusing every year.
3: Normal tabacco products will start having the same ingredients sooner or later so both would compare the same. (Meaning an average analog smoker won't care for the difference)

[Stubby]

The bill is up for committee action on November 5 at 10 am.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-1147

Hopefully someone who knows what this really means will tell us about it.

[telsie]

Wouldn't a bill like that effectively put small tobacco shops out of business? 7-11 may get tobacco products delivered by their own trucks every night, but if this "non-mailable" thing includes all delivery services like UPS and FEDEX, a small tobacco shop wouldn't even be able to order inventory.

This won't pass.

[Stubby]

From my understanding of the bill it would not effect tobacco stores. Only personal sales would be effected. In fact the purpose of the bill is to get people into tobacco stores where the state and feds can collet the taxes.

The people that will really get hurt, besides anyone who orders via the internet, is the american Indian. Because the tribes are sovereign nations under treaty (theoretically, and I don't understand all the ins and outs of that) they have been selling a lot of tobacco products via the internet. I work with a Native American who clued me in on some of it. They grow their own tobacco and control the process from end to end. This would be a hugh blow to the income of many Native Americans.

[Halcyon]

"Dear Senator Webb,

I am writing you today concerning the bill S. 1147, "The PACT Act." My problem with this proposed legislation is that if passed, it would effectively cut off all importation of electronic cigarette devices (henceforth referred to as "e-cigarettes") due to the restrictions placed with the intention of retaining revenue from in-state sales taxes. By not allowing tobacco-related products to be shipped via any parcel service, and with the vast majority of e-cigarette production occurring overseas, this will leave no choice for the American e-cigarette user but to continue smoking "analog" cigarettes and damaging his or her own body.
The e-cigarette and related devices are designed to supply preexisting smokers with an alternative product that is extremely similar to their harmful "analog" cigarettes consisting of tobacco rolled in paper with the option of a filter. These new devices are significantly safer to use regularly and have next to no harmful effects on the body. The proof that "analog" cigarettes are harmful is quite overwhelming, and one cannot argue the fact that the switch to an e-cigarette is a healthy choice.
Several people I am familiar with, including myself, in addition to thousands people I have made contact with via internet bulletin boards have completely quit smoking "analog" cigarettes and have chosen to use e-cigarettes to live a healthier and cleaner lifestyle. In my opinion, the e-cigarette is saving lives, but only time can prove this to be fact, unfortunately.
I urge you consider the effects of the afforementioned legislation before casting your vote. Thousands and thousands of current e-cigarette users will lose the freedom to choose a healthy alternative without giving up the recreational activity of smoking that we enjoy.

Sincerely,
James K. Helsley"


I did my part, now do yours! I wrote to Sen. Warner as well, don't forget to write both, even if it's copypasta. It took me 9 minutes to write that and I'll possibly get a lifetime of vaping if the message gets through. Time well spent. If not, well, time to shoot the 'ole Nicotine Horse again. No way I'm smoking analogs again, my woman hates 'em.

[TropicalBob]

This bill will have a far more negative impact on harm reduction products than the recently passed Family Smoking Prevention bill that handed authority over tobacco to the FDA. This shuts down supplies of snus, nasal snuff, disssolvables ... anything not available from your local tobacco store.

This bill is truly End Game for many of us, myself very much included. How many nicotine addicts will be condemned to die of a smoking-related condition because fools making laws cannot see the health consequences of their actions?

[jadeninja]

How's that Hope And Change working out for you.

We need to fight progressives in this country. In their mind, they know better than you. The progressive statist wants to control you, because they want to help you!

What a lie. Just keep pissing us off. See what happens.

[jadeninja]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

This bill will have a far more negative impact on harm reduction products than the recently passed Family Smoking Prevention bill that handed authority over tobacco to the FDA. This shuts down supplies of snus, nasal snuff, disssolvables ... anything not available from your local tobacco store.

This bill is truly End Game for many of us, myself very much included. How many nicotine addicts will be condemned to die of a smoking-related condition because fools making laws cannot see the health consequences of their actions?

We fight them Bob. We don't just sit by and let them do this. We set up class action lawsuits. We fight them in civil court. We fight them constituionally. We fight them at the ballot box. We raise public awareness on forums like this. We fight Bob. This is America. We will find a way. We always have, we always will. We find alternatives. We stand together, united for the cause.

Jim Webb doesn't give a crap about us, or his constituents. He is part of the progressive nanny state agenda to exhurt control.

Educate yourself about the early 20th century progressives, that what these people model themselves after. The Woodrow Wilson's of history, the eugenics crowd, the societal archetect crowd.

This is who we are up against. What damn business of theirs is it what we do. Who are we harming in the process, ourselves?

Since vaping, I feel better. Tons better! I have more energy and stamina. So what is this about?

Their answer to banning e-cigs and snus and whatever else is a better and SAFER alternative (dare I say it, it is so politically incorrect to do so), and the arguement of e cigs users is that we will have to go back to tobacco . . . Their answer will be just quit all together. That is what they will say. Guaranteed.

So I say stand up! Stand up to "MelonHead" Jim Webb. Stand up to Nanny State Pelosi. Tell them NO YOU WON'T.... And if you do . . . you will join the long lines of unemployed . . . and after you are out of office, we are going to sue your ass for neferious interference

Passion and fight, folks VAPE STRONG

[TropicalBob]

Strong words, but this bill is about money. Nothing else. It is about taxable products being sold on the Internet without taxes being collected. How to stop that? Shut down delivery. Mandate so much record-keeping that small companies give up shipping. Charge fees the little guys can't pay.

Force people into local tobacco stores where full taxes must always be collected and turned over to government.

Consumers voted overwhelmingly against this bill in a poll on that government site. The consumer opinion makes no difference. It's governments -- state and local -- that want taxes collected on the sales of all tobacco products.

Other arguments might be nanny-state. This isn't. This is a cash register issue supported by every financially-strapped government body, local, state and federal.