Bait & Switch Law w/SmokeStik? Is There A Lawyer In The House?

[RebelCat62]

I started using SmokeStik in April of this year. I had gone from being a 4 pk a day smoker to 1/4 pk a day and was about to quit completely.
Then suddenly in mid to late August, I got a bad batch that were dry. Or at least that's what SmokeStik says happened. So they sent me out replacement carts.
So you'll understand a bit more, I had ordered 2/50pks of the Full Flavor to get a free Atomizer and those were the dry ones. But before I realized that, I had gone ahead and ordered an additional 2/50 pks for another atomizer as well before they stopped the offer. So there were 200 carts being dealt with here, because I had no reason to think I wouldn't use them all.
When I got the new carts, they were weak. I swore they sent me the wrong ones. My old Medium Flavor ones were stronger than these were. So I called, and was told that they had changed their chemistry. But I still thought I had maybe been sent the wrong ones because of the drastic difference. So they replaced them again. But it was the same thing, they were weak.
This time though when I called, I was being made to feel like it was "me" and not the carts. But they agreed to once again replace them, only this time they asked me to ship back what I had not used at my expense, which at the time I understood.
After getting the next batch and finding there was still an issue, I was very upset because I don't like being a problem customer. But when I called this time, I was finally told that others were also complaining and that the company was working on a stronger chemistry again. I was then told to give them 1 to 1 1/2 weeks to get the stronger ones ready and they would call me and replace what I had left, but that I should use them as best I could til then. That was a week ago, but I wasn't able too use many, because they just don't cut it. Now I know why.

If you search their site (you have to dig because it's not out in the open), they now say that their product does NOT contain Nicotine!

They did not contact their customers or their distributors ahead of time and tell them, they only find out now when they call I assume. I found out on this board.

They let me order and replace over and over 200 carts, then kept me hanging on the line with a false promise, never once telling me what they were doing. I trusted them and so while waiting spent money I might not have had too buying real cigs again waiting for them to fix their issue. I also put my health at more risk once again with those cigs (I have 2nd Stage Emphysema, COPD and Asthma). As well as the emotional effects it's had on me, making me feel it was "Me", etc. I also have Fibromyalgia and all this has caused my anxiety level to sky rocket, which if you know anything about Fibromyalgia, also caused my pain level to sky rocket too.

So my question is (sorry for such a long set up), whould I have a case against them based on Bait & Switch laws, or anything else?

[mach]

You should buy a 30 ml of eliquid ( try totallywicked ) and top up the SmokeStik carts with that. Buying carts is a P.I.T.A. My friend has a Stik and refills all the time. You'll then just replace each cart occasionally when it gets gross.

[RebelCat62]

Originally Posted by mach

You should buy a 30 ml of eliquid ( try totallywicked ) and top up the SmokeStik carts with that. Buying carts is a P.I.T.A. My friend has a Stik and refills all the time. You'll then just replace each cart occasionally when it gets gross.

I'm actually in the process of getting the liquid and a filler material (PTB) so I can do this, but thanks. The town I'm in is so small, I had to order the tea bags too. lol.

But that doesn't change they way the company has handled this. I just now called and demanded a refund in full for everything and they're suppose to be having their accounting dept get back to me on it. We'll see what happens there when they call...if they call.

[HaploVoss]

I agree with mach, and also as far as your lawsuit goes - no amount of principle is going to make up the cost it would take you to sue them vs. how much it cost you for the 200 carts. Seriously - the amount of money it will cost you to take them to court would be ridiculous compared to how much you have spent on the carts.

I would simply lodge a complaint, and inform others as best you can. If you want to hurt a company's pocketbook, you take away their customers.

I have no experience with this company so I am not going to sit here and agree with everything and yell 'Go get 'em!!' - but for sake of argument - that's my .02

Take care and I hope it all works out in the end.
- Hap

[RebelCat62]

Originally Posted by HaploVoss

I agree with mach, and also as far as your lawsuit goes - no amount of principal is going to make up the cost it would take you to sue them vs. how much it cost you for the 200 carts. Seriously - the amount of money it will cost you to take them to court would be ridiculous compared to how much you have spent on the carts.

I would simply lodge a complaint, and inform others as best you can. If you want to hurt a company's pocketbook, you take away their customers.

I have no experience with this company so I am not going to sit here and agree with everything and yell 'Go get 'em!!' - but for sake of argument - that's my .02

Take care and I hope it all works out in the end.
- Hap

I don't expect anyone to agree with me or jump on my bandwagon, and I do appreciate your input on this. And if all I wanted was to recover for the "equipment", then your right, it would be insane to go after them. But what about the emotional? That's what I'm curious about.

And just to say this. I'm not a sue happy person. I've never done it before. I'd like to think I'm a nice person. Too nice most of the time. And right now, I'm just a bit tired of being nice and getting screwed. That's all.

[bitey]

I don't know what state you live in (assuming that you are in the US), but most consumer protection laws are based on state statutes. You could check this out by 1) reading the appropriate section of your state's revised code and 2) going to the Web page of your state's Attorney General and finding the link for your state's consumer protection where your rights are explained in language for non-attorneys.

If you have a claim (and it's a big if at this point), your remedies would be laid out under your state's code. There are federal consumer protection laws as well; however, most state's laws mirror the federal laws and then add more protection on top of that.

I don't think "bait and switch" is probably a claim you can make because that phrase means something very specific under the law, but you might have "something." The real question is whether you are enough money to make it worth your while to actually hire a consumer law attorney and take on the costs of pursuing them or whether as the poster above suggested you should just buy some good high nic juice and refill your own cartridges.

I don't know if anyone else has cartridges that fit that particular model of e-cig; but if someone does, then you might want to shop from a different supplier. BTW, nothing in this post is meant to be legal advice and should not be taken as such. Good luck.

[Nuck]

Did you get all your money back?

[RebelCat62]

bitey, NO legal advice assumed. but thank you. that's good advice and I'll check it out. I thought about my states AG last night, then forgot all about it this morning.

Nuck, I'm waiting for their accounting dept to call me to find out how much they'll refund. I'm pretty positive I can at least get the carts refunded. But after thinking about it, I called them back and said I want refunded for everything I've bought recently, which includes 8 batteries and 5 chargers.
Yeah I had a lot of batteries and chargers, but I was rippin through them cause I'm such a heavy smoker.

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

Originally Posted by RebelCat62

I don't expect anyone to agree with me or jump on my bandwagon, and I do appreciate your input on this. And if all I wanted was to recover for the "equipment", then your right, it would be insane to go after them. But what about the emotional? That's what I'm curious about.

And just to say this. I'm not a sue happy person. I've never done it before. I'd like to think I'm a nice person. Too nice most of the time. And right now, I'm just a bit tired of being nice and getting screwed. That's all.

Now, you're probably gonna jump down my throat, here - and I'm donning my flame-retardant suit as I type this for the battering I'm sure to get, but.........

I am glad that you describe yourself as not 'sue happy,' but when you ask this kind of question, you have been bitten by the 'sue bug,' so to speak...
The concept - of suing a company for 'emotional distress' is plain, dead wrong....invented by the trial lawyers for their profit, not the profit of the consumer.....
in short: If the concept of a monetary reward for your 'emotional anguish' is enough to get you through said anguish, then it's not that painful and you need to get over it....Shake your head, acknowledge ya got took, and accept that you learned something. Yes, expensive lessons suck, but they stick with you for a long time.

You may commence flaming, now........

[RebelCat62]

Originally Posted by Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah

Now, you're probably gonna jump down my throat, here - and I'm donning my flame-retardant suit as I type this for the battering I'm sure to get, but.........

I am glad that you describe yourself as not 'sue happy,' but when you ask this kind of question, you have been bitten by the 'sue bug,' so to speak...
The concept - of suing a company for 'emotional distress' is plain, dead wrong....invented by the trial lawyers for their profit, not the profit of the consumer.....
in short: If the concept of a monetary reward for your 'emotional anguish' is enough to get you through said anguish, then it's not that painful and you need to get over it....Shake your head, acknowledge ya got took, and accept that you learned something. Yes, expensive lessons suck, but they stick with you for a long time.

You may commence flaming, now........

I don't jump down throats that easily darlin. I believe in the 1st Amendment. Now I may not agree with what you've said, but I do respect it.