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LoBo · 09-20-2009, 04:06 AM

if they ban them the only thing they'll accomplish is to create another black market in this country. in my opinion

Wall · 09-20-2009, 05:40 AM

I think it would be hard to ban a battery, sold just as a battery.

As far as the Atomizers, Im sure they could be sold as simple paper weights :P

I would be surprised if you couldnt order parts seperately overseas and get them, the main hullabaloo that I got from the FDA stuff, was marketing the completed item as anything usable by a human for inhaling, etc.

Heres to hoping the individual parts will be ok, just not the product itself, at the least.

MrKai · 09-20-2009, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonpuff

Not to be a semantic nitpicker or anything

but isn't making it a "criminal offense" to import something equivalent to banning?

It would not be *made into* an offense. It would be enforced. No new law is being made here. If people were much more careful will how they worded things in the first place, this mess would not BE a mess.

If people wish to be more...accurate...they could learn a little Latin...it would be a de facto "ban" because you couldn't get any, but NOT a legal ban. No one is saying "eCigs cannot be made or sold in America". That would be a legal ban.

See?

What is being stated is as soon as they go thru the proper process and approved for the intended use, then there you go.

This usually triggers the "PharmaTobaccoFDA Evil Cartel" talk, but that isn't *fact* until someone at least attempts the legal process.

If certain...entities stuck to what is defined in law as fact (you know, the semantic details) we'd all be talking about some whole other thing entirely now

-K

ReggieReg · 09-20-2009, 05:43 AM

I'll never give up my PV or my meds (420)!!

RR

dragonpuff · 09-20-2009, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrKai

If people wish to be more...accurate...they could learn a little Latin...it would be a de facto "ban" because you couldn't get any, but NOT a legal ban. No one is saying "eCigs cannot be made or sold in America". That would be a legal ban.

See?

-K

So, to clarify, they would be blocked on importation, but can still be legally made and sold in america (except, of course, in states that pass legislation making that illegal)?

Am i correct on this?

mtndude · 09-20-2009, 06:24 PM

yep, the batteries are just batteries, i suppose the manual (push button) ones would be the most applicable to being sold as a simple powering device... we need more things that plug-in to the existing manual batteries so they can be sold in combo, there are hundreds of things that can be powered by the existing batteries.

jnakamura · 09-24-2009, 04:02 AM

I tried posting this as a new topic, but I guess I'm too new a member to start a new thread (?)

Anyhow...in the event of a ban...

What would be the likelihood of keeping PVs legal if they were: non-nicotine; completely tobacco-free; submitted (by manufacturer/retailer) in each individual case to the FDA for approval and found "safe"?

In other words, if I invented a device that looked like a pencil (or carrot, or frankfurter) that vaporized PG/VG and natural flavoring, and was found to contain absolutely nothing harmful, would/could that possibly be "ok"?

NJDrew · 09-24-2009, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnakamura

I tried posting this as a new topic, but I guess I'm too new a member to start a new thread (?)

Anyhow...in the event of a ban...

What would be the likelihood of keeping PVs legal if they were: non-nicotine; completely tobacco-free; submitted (by manufacturer/retailer) in each individual case to the FDA for approval and found "safe"?

In other words, if I invented a device that looked like a pencil (or carrot, or frankfurter) that vaporized PG/VG and natural flavoring, and was found to contain absolutely nothing harmful, would/could that possibly be "ok"?

I think the easiest way around this is to repackage the device, sold with no nicotine or PG/VG, it could be approved as a personal/travel "humidifier".

jj2 · 09-24-2009, 07:21 PM

The best place for this type of conversation is probably in the underground section of this message board.

The Association of Personal Vaporers Message Board - Index

warbdan · 09-25-2009, 01:53 AM

There's enough mod ideas and juice making instructions on this sight that we'll never have to stop vaping. And don't forget those vaporizers that you can buy online all day. Just grind up tobacco and put it in one of those if it comes down to it. Bottom line, I'm done with cigarettes. Peace!

09-24-2009, 04:02 AM	#17
jnakamura Full Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 73	Question? I tried posting this as a new topic, but I guess I'm too new a member to start a new thread (?) Anyhow...in the event of a ban... What would be the likelihood of keeping PVs legal if they were: non-nicotine; completely tobacco-free; submitted (by manufacturer/retailer) in each individual case to the FDA for approval and found "safe"? In other words, if I invented a device that looked like a pencil (or carrot, or frankfurter) that vaporized PG/VG and natural flavoring, and was found to contain absolutely nothing harmful, would/could that possibly be "ok"?

09-24-2009, 07:21 PM	#19
jj2 Ultra Member ECF Veteran Join Date: May 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,523	The best place for this type of conversation is probably in the underground section of this message board. The Association of Personal Vaporers Message Board - Index __________________ Tigger & PVs are the best. Smoke free since mid March 2009.

09-25-2009, 01:53 AM	#20
warbdan Full Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 121	There's enough mod ideas and juice making instructions on this sight that we'll never have to stop vaping. And don't forget those vaporizers that you can buy online all day. Just grind up tobacco and put it in one of those if it comes down to it. Bottom line, I'm done with cigarettes. Peace! __________________ Warren Bottoms http://warrenbottoms.blogspot.com

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09-20-2009, 04:06 AM	#11
LoBo Full Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Marshfield, WI Posts: 88	if they ban them the only thing they'll accomplish is to create another black market in this country. in my opinion

09-20-2009, 05:40 AM	#12
Wall Full Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 130	I think it would be hard to ban a battery, sold just as a battery. As far as the Atomizers, Im sure they could be sold as simple paper weights :P I would be surprised if you couldnt order parts seperately overseas and get them, the main hullabaloo that I got from the FDA stuff, was marketing the completed item as anything usable by a human for inhaling, etc. Heres to hoping the individual parts will be ok, just not the product itself, at the least.

09-20-2009, 05:43 AM	#14
ReggieReg Full Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 26	I'll never give up my PV or my meds (420)!! RR

09-20-2009, 06:24 PM	#16
mtndude Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Roan Mountain, TN Posts: 258	yep, the batteries are just batteries, i suppose the manual (push button) ones would be the most applicable to being sold as a simple powering device... we need more things that plug-in to the existing manual batteries so they can be sold in combo, there are hundreds of things that can be powered by the existing batteries.