E-Cigs will never be Legal

[jackrabbit]

With the ecig is gaining momentum on the world market, it has become not just a new trend but a way of life for cigarette & non-cigarette smokers alike.

Go Smokeless with ecigs

[jackrabbit]

Putting all the Bull**** aside, people have the right to smoke, and the ecig is the alternate but healthier way of doing just that. Agree?

[420GypsyGirl]

It won't matter. I will vape whether it is illegal or not. Vaping stopped me from smoking and that is a good thing. If they try to make it illegal it'll go underground and we'll still be able to do it.

[ChipCurtis]

It won't matter. I will vape whether it is illegal or not. Vaping stopped me from smoking and that is a good thing. If they try to make it illegal it'll go underground and we'll still be able to do it.

This might very well be where we all end up.

But you're right, we'll still be able to do it. I can completely rationalize this by thinking that if gov't is so corrupt that it will justify getting its taxes by any means necessary, including forcing us back to analogs, then we are in our rights to take this activity 'underground' where it will flourish.

There will probably be a 'reactionary' period that we have to get through (analogous to 1920s prohobition or late 20th century ......... law/disposition) before common sense eventually prevails.

[beingbekah]

Much like Prohibition in the 1920's and the current war on drugs, the banning of products which have an established market will create a black market. Not only does this make ordinary, law-abiding citizens like you and me criminals, it opens the door for organized crime and black markets. Prohibition opened the door for the mafia in this country, and they have never left. They have only changed which "criminals" they cater to.

The problem with this for us is the type of people that tend to stick their neck out to provide consumers with illicit products. They are not concerned with customer safety or product quality; if they're the only game in town, that's enough for them. Not only will PV's and juice be more expensive (reflecting the risk the seller is taking by selling an illegal product), they will be less safe. While this will not necessarily stop me from vaping (or many others), it is not the most desirable option. However, it may be what we are forced to do.

While it may seem somewhat contradictory to the above, I submit the following, a quote from Martin Luther King, Jr:
One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."

[embryo]

Someone asked why, if nicotine can be found in potatoes, why cant we call e-cigs a potatoe product? While I laughed at that, and there is a certain logic to it, the fact is is that most of the nicotine in e-juice is derived from tobacco. To my knowledge, that puts it squarely in the FDA's sights.

If some altruistic millionaire from Idaho stepped up and began making e-liquids exclusively from potatoes, there might actually be hope. While it may be a more costly to produce e-liquid from potatoes, it is far from impossible.

Were there such a product actually on the market, I do not see how the reality could be denied. Judge Leon seems like a pretty sensible guy to me.

Come to think of it, because most of the nicotine is in the skin, with some ingenuity, Frito-Lay and other potato chip mfg's could actually profit from their by-product...

[thefisherman]

While it may seem somewhat contradictory to the above, I submit the following, a quote from Martin Luther King, Jr:
One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."

I don't think that you and Dr. King are expressing anything contradictory. You are both observing that the individual is sovereign, and obtains his rights from natural law, and then delegates certain authority to government. When government makes a law that contravenes natural law, it need not be followed. IMO, you are Dr. King are both correct.

[PlanetScribbles]

I don't think that you and Dr. King are expressing anything contradictory. You are both observing that the individual is sovereign, and obtains his rights from natural law, and then delegates certain authority to government. When government makes a law that contravenes natural law, it need not be followed. IMO, you are Dr. King are both correct.

Quite right. I have no intention of recognizing a law that takes away my right to self medication.

[HDBanger]

Quite right. I have no intention of recognizing a law that takes away my right to self medication.

I already disobey to self medicate. Let em make me "more" of a "criminal", it gets old having to worry about getting caught for something so silly. Adding another to the list of taboo.

[trailblazer6]

I can see why government is consurned. Look at the potential for lost revenue. I can only go by my experience here in New Jersey. A pack of premium cigarettes coast a little over $9.00 a pack with the sin tax. I was a two + pack per day smoker. How much of that is cost for production of the cigarettes and how much is Tax ? I suspect Tax is the major cost factor here. Now thanks to the e-cigarette just being available as an alternative to satisfy my addiction and to ecf members for the valuable education on it's proper use and care. I stand to save a major chunk of money that would otherwise go up in smoke. And I'm just one person. Just think, how many smokers are out there in the USA alone ? WE are talking major bucks here.