E-Cigs will never be Legal

[kristin]

Originally Posted by chayce

The more I wrap my head around it, the more I realize that E-cigs will never be legal. This is because Alcohol and Tobacco would not be legal today if they were not grandfathered in place. Imagine the FDA approving any recreational drug today. We have given them the right to control anything that can be classified as a drug, so now we face the consequences.

But this not a "new" recreational drug. Nicotine is already commercially available in tobacco cigarettes for recreational use. This is a new way to distribute it.

Like alcohol, nicotine is approved for both recreational and medicinal uses. The FDA controls one and the ATF controls the other! Big Tobacco could easily start selling e-liquid that the FDA can't touch - it would be sin-taxed to death, though. Of course, if it's shown to be safe, they government would have a hard time calling it a "sin" anymore, because there would be a positive impact on insurance and healthcare costs.

E-cig manufacturers should have taken the ALTERNATIVE approach and stayed away from making any smoking cessation claims and the FDA wouldn't have been able to make any claims of jurisdiction. By claiming it as a stop smoking aid, they were calling it a treatment, which made it a medicinal drug and not a recreational drug. But, that horse left the barn a long time ago. Now we have to chose a lesser of two evils - Big Tobacco or Big Pharma. I'm with Big Tobacco, as then access won't be limited to those with health insurance and/or deep pockets. Big T has a never-ending supply of nicotine, whereas Big P will have to buy it and charge more for it, too. Big T won't have to get FDA approval and 15 years of clinical trials. And if Big T is making money from it, they'll have no reason to fight it - it could be tobacco's ultimate economic future.

So, from a consumer's economic standpoint, I'd rather see Big T control it. If they were smart, they'd be standing in SE & Njoy's corner right now, too.

[TheB0lt]

To quote Jacques Pepin:

There is no way to die in good health.

I've been in the medical field for 21 years and see its decline on a regular basis. For all the money they make, you would think healthcare would run better. More staffing at nursing homes and physician offices. Better communication and care for patients ... the list goes on and on.

They should just leave us alone. Not everyone would take to eCigs anyway. Some people just wanna smoke analogs allowing good ole Uncle Sam and Uncle Pharmy to collect their billions -- none of which filters down to us anyway!

That's my two cents, anyhoo!

Dan

[Gemini_Lightning]

Originally Posted by kristin

E-cig manufacturers should have taken the ALTERNATIVE approach and stayed away from making any smoking cessation claims and the FDA wouldn't have been able to make any claims of jurisdiction. By claiming it as a stop smoking aid, they were calling it a treatment, which made it a medicinal drug and not a recreational drug.

While this sounds good in theory, it wouldn't have mattered. The FDA would have found SOMETHING wrong with e-cigs simply because of the bottom line. Notice how nothing was made of e-cigs until sales started gaining momentum. In fact, in just the first half of this year, e-cig sales have doubled in profit over ALL of last year. It was gaining some serious momentum. This had to be stopped for the money/power machine to keep rolling.

[PaulZ]

Originally Posted by Knyghtstalker

So when they legalize marijauna, how long do you think it will be until we can buy marijuana e-juice in the US? }:-)

Reality is for those that lack imagination...

actually, the first thing my roommate said was "dude when we go to my grandmas house we need to put thc crystals in hat thing"

1. his grandmas from jamaica, so it would be legal
2. this would actually probably work really well.
3. it brings up the question of what other drugs can be put into the liquid than nicotine. granted i smoke non-nic VG, but its an interesting subject.

[Devious]

Originally Posted by PaulZ

actually, the first thing my roommate said was "dude when we go to my grandmas house we need to put thc crystals in hat thing"

1. his grandmas from jamaica, so it would be legal
2. this would actually probably work really well.
3. it brings up the question of what other drugs can be put into the liquid than nicotine. granted i smoke non-nic VG, but its an interesting subject.

I was thinking of something along the lines of using the stems, like making tea. We'll have to see how it goes over here in the states.

[lowwkeyy]

without money your voice is silent
without power your message is lost.


resolve the first two issues then make a change

[Timekey]

When you state that e-cigs will never be legal you are in fact incorrect ...........they are legal at this time. What gave you the impression they were illegal? That goes for anyone.

[doots]

Youre most likely correct. There is too much big money behind destrying something that is better for you than cigs.. Ashame but seems to be the reality. I expect many or most businesses to take a stance to ban them form workplace as well as schools.

Unless there is legal action to prevent them from doing so, I dont see a good end to acceptance from the general public that doesnt smoke.

[Timekey]

The only power to be that can make them illegal or ban them is your local or state government. The FDA does not have this authority. If the FDA could ban them they would have done this a year ago. The only thing they have the power to do .........and this they HAVE done is to try and put a stop to them ENTERING the country. But even the FDA has stated that any already in the country can be sold. The say this because they know they have no authority.

[Timekey]

Oh and one last thing ...........the FDA has ceased trying to stop them at the border in light of the impending ruling in court.