E-Cigs will never be Legal

[kinabaloo]

But this not a "new" recreational drug. Nicotine is already commercially available in tobacco cigarettes for recreational use. This is a new way to distribute it.

Like alcohol, nicotine is approved for both recreational and medicinal uses. The FDA controls one and the ATF controls the other! Big Tobacco could easily start selling e-liquid that the FDA can't touch - it would be sin-taxed to death, though. Of course, if it's shown to be safe, they government would have a hard time calling it a "sin" anymore, because there would be a positive impact on insurance and healthcare costs.

E-cig manufacturers should have taken the ALTERNATIVE approach and stayed away from making any smoking cessation claims and the FDA wouldn't have been able to make any claims of jurisdiction. By claiming it as a stop smoking aid, they were calling it a treatment, which made it a medicinal drug and not a recreational drug. But, that horse left the barn a long time ago. Now we have to chose a lesser of two evils - Big Tobacco or Big Pharma. I'm with Big Tobacco, as then access won't be limited to those with health insurance and/or deep pockets. Big T has a never-ending supply of nicotine, whereas Big P will have to buy it and charge more for it, too. Big T won't have to get FDA approval and 15 years of clinical trials. And if Big T is making money from it, they'll have no reason to fight it - it could be tobacco's ultimate economic future.

So, from a consumer's economic standpoint, I'd rather see Big T control it. If they were smart, they'd be standing in SE & Njoy's corner right now, too.

I agree - except that it's too late for the reduced-harm category. The marketing error was only made by some companies; and even those can simply be told to desist. It shouldn't mean that the sensible option is no longer available; we should aim for that, garner support for it.

[Timekey]

So you really believe all of this would have been avoided if only no one was making cessation claims? This has never been the stance of the FDA. You can say all you want but the standard FDA response is always this ............before they approve them they want evidence that people are not going to be dropping dead in three years from using them. Pretty simple as that really. Until this is proven to the FDA they will never approve them. It really is on the shoulders of the Chinese to present this case and as much as they want to ............they really cannot for several reasons.

[Surveillance]

I think we should find some FDA workers who are tobacco smokers, who use cigarettes.. and give them some e-cigs. Wouldn't take long..



Peace.

[erik16]

If FDA can make money off the electronic cigarette sales then they will approve them plain and simple

[trog100]

ultimately no one is in overall charge of any of it.. it runs its own sweet way.. how it all ends up is anybodies guess.. even if e cigs do get banned the ban might not stick.. the next thing will be control and taxes..

but i dont thing e cigs will go away.. things cant be un-invented..

trog

[Devious]

but i dont thing e cigs will go away.. things cant be un-invented..

trog

You are right, they will be modified and upgraded until a better idea comes along.

[MNoisy]

I agree in some aspects I suppose

[Snarkyone]

It has nothing to do with the cessation claims come on folks open your eyes! It's the money! Follow the green, who is making it and perhaps more importantly in the US and the other western civilizations is who is NOT making money with these. I have posted on this subject before and I am not going to repost that novel but it's the tobacco companies and the big drug companies that manufacture these crappy smoking cessation products that they charge as much as the tobacco cost and don't do squat for helping you to quit especially compared to the success rates of the E-cigs that I have experienced and seen in thousands of others on this site alone. The wrong people are making money on this and the ones that are not will not stand for it. I am not worried about legality at all, I smoked another substance for over 32 yrs illegally before my state finally made it legal for me this last year. If I would do that and millions of others do as well, I doubt a minor fine for having a unauthorized nicotine delivery system is going to be about the worse that could happen.

[Devious]

It has nothing to do with the cessation claims come on folks open your eyes! It's the money! Follow the green, who is making it and perhaps more importantly in the US and the other western civilizations is who is NOT making money with these. I have posted on this subject before and I am not going to repost that novel but it's the tobacco companies and the big drug companies that manufacture these crappy smoking cessation products that they charge as much as the tobacco cost and don't do squat for helping you to quit especially compared to the success rates of the E-cigs that I have experienced and seen in thousands of others on this site alone. The wrong people are making money on this and the ones that are not will not stand for it. I am not worried about legality at all, I smoked another substance for over 32 yrs illegally before my state finally made it legal for me this last year. If I would do that and millions of others do as well, I doubt a minor fine for having a unauthorized nicotine delivery system is going to be about the worse that could happen.

You nailed it. BT and BP. I agree and hopefully my state will follow your state's lead one day soon. I am also one of the many people that have been saved from cigarettes.

[Nursetripp]

I wish somehow that the government would realize that yes there will be a loss in tax revenue from a decrease in traditional tobacco consumption, however less money would be spent in Medicaid dollars on smoking related illnesses. Smoking creates a lifetime of CHRONIC health problems such as heart disease and copd. Smoking also contributes to acute illnesses as well.... gerd, increased incidence of upper respiratory infections, gingivitis, high cholesterol and obesity. You cant exercise if you cant breathe!

For years the number of uninsured people has been on the rise and will continue to do so as long as our economy sucks. Another fact to consider is if all smokers could switch to ecigs we wouldnt see tons of cigerette butts on the ground which take decades to decompose. These butts end up in our storm drains and contribute to stormwater and groundwater pollution. Seems like the government might actually end up saving money. Too bad the government and big tobacco are partners in crime and its not the peoples best interest in mind. The bottom line is and will always be $$$$$ in politicians pockets. America is drowning in debt and families are losing their homes and congress gets to vote themselves a raise. Wish I had that power.