E-Cigs will never be Legal

[Nursetripp]

Sorry a few more comments now that I am on my soap box . Why is it ok for the production and sale of water bongs which NO ONE uses for tobacco but its not ok for the production and marketing of ecigs in the US? Doesnt make much sense. Also the FDA has said all along that the question of safeness lies in the use of PG. So there havent been a lot of studies on PG use as an inhalant. How hard is that to test? Its ok to sell metal pipes for "tobacco" which are flame heated but ecigs arent safe?? They know it is safe to inhale nicotine... anyone ever heard of the rx only Nicotrol inhaler???? And the claim that ecigs would create more smokers, especially adolescent ones is ridiculous. I am not exactly for taxing the hell out of ecigs and liquid nicotine, but if that is what it takes to get the government on board then I guess i would vote for it. Public health is just too important. Plus the manufacturing of ecigs and liquid smoke would create desperately needed jobs! Michigan is where I live and we really need a new trade to create jobs. Bunch of plants just sitting empty, such a shame.

Ok i think i am done now! Thanks for listening. I am a newbie to this ecig thing and I love it so much already. I have so much passion because i think it is a great product and will probably save my life. I am 32 and have been smoking for 20 years and i am really starting to see the effects. I have tried everything to quit and now after 3 days of vaping i am almost completely off analogs (down to 2/day). Now analogs seem gross to me. Finished my last pack today and i refuse to buy anymore.

[dperino]

i must be missing something because from where i sit vp's are legal. at least they are for the time being. if the device were illegal trog would be selling his hardware out of the trunk of his rig or on some street corner but my ultimate point is this, if there is an overwhelming belief here that a ban is eminent, then it behooves all of us to not only stockpile (which is kind of insane in a way) and/or figure out what the underground will look like. more importantly would be the issue of ejuice. in a way there has to be individuals that say screw the scenario and then move passed it.

[ProfessorDaffy]

If FDA can make money off the electronic cigarette sales then they will approve them plain and simple

Is the FDA really making the money? Yes, there's tobacco money in here somewhere. I think the real reason that the FDA is on the offensive is that we "stole Daddy's car" without asking permission first. There are other smoking cessation/replacement devices out there. If we'd gone to the FDA and knocked on their door and said, we have something new. They would have said, "let's do 5 years of trials, let us oversee everything, and we''ll think about it."

Since these originated overseas, the party started without the FDA's involvement at all. And then when they came to America we stole Daddy's car and went to the party without asking permission. That rubbed them the wrong way.

It's kind of like going up to you wife and saying...
(a) I've been thinking about having an affair. I haven't done anything yet, but I wanted to run it buy you first. Discuss the options and see what your thoughts on the matter are.
(b) I've been having an affair behind your back for 5 years. Honey, it's awesome! Sex with you was okay, but this is totally wicked awesome!

Which is going to get you stabbed in the throat with a steak knife? Okay, both will, but you get my point. We didn't say, "mother may I?"

--Prof Daffy
P.S. I think we hurt the FDA's feelings.

[sbphotog]

What really ticks me off is the fact that there are about a bazillion diet pills on the market today and NONE of them are evaluated or approved by the FDA and alot of them contain very harmful ingredients.
Although they are not marketed toward children, these pills are easily available for sale and teens can (and DO) purchase and use these products and abuse them as drugs.
When is the FDA gonna pick on them? Oh, wait....they won't...cause they don't have big tobacco and big pharma on there butts complaining about their loss in revenue. It is a bunch of BS if you ask me.

[CrazyTerrie11]

I wish somehow that the government would realize that yes there will be a loss in tax revenue from a decrease in traditional tobacco consumption, however less money would be spent in Medicaid dollars on smoking related illnesses. Smoking creates a lifetime of CHRONIC health problems such as heart disease and copd. Smoking also contributes to acute illnesses as well.... gerd, increased incidence of upper respiratory infections, gingivitis, high cholesterol and obesity. You cant exercise if you cant breathe!

For years the number of uninsured people has been on the rise and will continue to do so as long as our economy sucks. Another fact to consider is if all smokers could switch to ecigs we wouldnt see tons of cigerette butts on the ground which take decades to decompose. These butts end up in our storm drains and contribute to stormwater and groundwater pollution. Seems like the government might actually end up saving money. Too bad the government and big tobacco are partners in crime and its not the peoples best interest in mind. The bottom line is and will always be $$$$$ in politicians pockets. America is drowning in debt and families are losing their homes and congress gets to vote themselves a raise. Wish I had that power.

Great point!! But i must add this....the money saved by people getting healthier effects "BIG PHARMACEUTICAL" another big annoying entity to have to battle...research on certain diseases that could be cured are pushed to the side cause if you cure it then you dont need to spend tons of money on drugs. Its the "BIG" companies like the FDA and drug companies and others that run this country, cause they line all the pocket of those 'holes that pass these bills. You know where I think the word "politics" comes from? Poly: synthetic, Tics: blood sucking insects...LOL

[CrazyTerrie11]

What really ticks me off is the fact that there are about a bazillion diet pills on the market today and NONE of them are evaluated or approved by the FDA and alot of them contain very harmful ingredients.
Although they are not marketed toward children, these pills are easily available for sale and teens can (and DO) purchase and use these products and abuse them as drugs.
When is the FDA gonna pick on them? Oh, wait....they won't...cause they don't have big tobacco and big pharma on there butts complaining about their loss in revenue. It is a bunch of BS if you ask me.

Agreed...I see ads all the time on tv for all kinds of stuff and they say "this has not yet been evaluated by the FDA" Whats up with that crap???

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

What our situation is is complex. Yes, in some way, we stole daddy's car without asking. Yes, BP and BT stand to lose out big time if our PV's go mainstream. Yes, taxes on cigs will be hurt big time if these are an acceptable replacement, both at a federal and state level. And yes, the anti's out there are seeing their life's work crumble at their feet for something invented by the Chinese to solve a problem they've been going at differently.

The arguments against PG are patently rediculous..... there have been studies done on PG....plenty of them. Amongst other things, it's used as an air sanitizer in restaurants and hospitals. It's used in theatrical fog machines. It's used to suspend medication in asthma inhalers. The MSDS on PG shows only mild irritation on inhaling the vaporous by-products of this product. It's GRAS (generally regarded as safe) classification allows it to be put in numerous food and cosmetic products. PG is NOT a risk by all the scientific data already available.

Now, we can bounce conspiracy theory around 'till we're blue in the face, but what the FDA is dancing around (and not coming out and saying) is they don't like that the Chinese have come up with this consumable product, and they don't have any control over regulations regarding the quality control of the product. In every way, that's the FDA's job...to promote the safety, quality, and purity of the consumable products sold in the US.....and while I don't agree with the tactics they're using, I do have to agree that there does need to be some measure of regulation (and yes, probably taxation to compensate for that regulation) to our PV's.

It's about face, too. The FDA simply cannot back down from the stance they have taken against PV's because to do so opens the door to a multitude of inferior, dangerous products (drugs, foodstuffs, cosmetics, etc.) flooding the US marketplace. How many of you would feel safe opening that jar of peanut butter and having a nice, thick gob of it on your kid's sandwiches if you weren't 100% sure it didn't contain any dangerous microbes? Degrade the status of the FDA, make them a laughingstock, and that's what you'll get.

[Surf Monkey]

Why is it ok for the production and sale of water bongs which NO ONE uses for tobacco but its not ok for the production and marketing of ecigs in the US? Doesnt make much sense.

The answer is simple: this is a culture war. E-cigarettes are held to a different standard for one reason and one reason alone. Because they look like analogue cigarettes. Nothing more, nothing less. There's been a culture war going on between smokers and anti-smoking advocates for two generations. The anti-smoking lobby has been winning that war recently and they don't want to give up any ground. From the POV of anti-smoking advocates, PVs represent a potential defeat because the perception is that they legitimize smoking by making it less risky and less offensive to others. Anti-smoking advocates don't want anything to make smoking appear okay, even if that thing isn't smoking. It's irrational, which is nominal for a culture war issue like this one. Smokers are pariahs. PVs look like smoking. Therefore PV users must be branded pariahs too.

[Chap2006]

I am 67 years old. Was given Vioxx for two years before I suffered my heart-attack. The Vioxx was stopped that day. Vioxx has hurt my life so much. I agree the FDA only listens to big Pharma, Tobacco Co.s, and all others making a profit on the American people.

I started using the Joye 510 only 29 days ago, and I am one of those people that tried everything to stop smoking tobacco and nothing worked. And yes, I was motivated. After using the e-cigarette, I have not used any tobacco and my lungs are so much better. I never, ever want to go back to regular cigarettes again! So feel we must all do what we can to keep the Gov from banning or out-lawing this wonderful product.

Thanks for your thoughtful statements.....

[sbphotog]

The arguments against PG are patently rediculous..... there have been studies done on PG....plenty of them. Amongst other things, it's used as an air sanitizer in restaurants and hospitals. It's used in theatrical fog machines. It's used to suspend medication in asthma inhalers. The MSDS on PG shows only mild irritation on inhaling the vaporous by-products of this product. It's GRAS (generally regarded as safe) classification allows it to be put in numerous food and cosmetic products. PG is NOT a risk by all the scientific data already available.

Agreed...the argument is ridiculous. PG is found in TOBACCO products as well, as an additive to prevent the tobacco from dehydration.