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    It's a shame that with the technology available to us and the proven fact that the things work 1000% better than ANY OTHER SMOKING CESSATION DEVICE ON THE MARKET, that since the right pockets aren't being lined the government wants to step in with their bs about safety.

    Safety? Really... that's what they want to go with safety? From the people that allow cigarettes to be consumed in record numbers despite the proven FACTS THAT THEY KILL along with ALCOHOL which is also a POISON, and also proven FACT THAT ALCOHOL KILLS as well causing cirrhosis of the liver and death. Throw in all the pain and messed up families left in the wake of an alcoholic, and yet you can buy and consume that stuff 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Ok then, now on to tobacco cigarettes vs e-cigs. How many toxic and cancerous items are found in tobacco smoke??? Something like 4000 right? In test run on E-Cigs found on average something like 1 or less. Wonder which one is safer?

    Don't look me in the face and talk to me about safety as being the reason for the ban, that's just idiotic. Everything in the things is currently in use in everyday food and other things consumed by humans. The e-juice? Ingredients: Propylene Glycol or Vegetable Glycerin for producing the vapor, Lorann Flavor Oils (or similar), nicotine. That's it, not a single thing is burned, no flames, no outrageous chemicals inhaled. The parts in a E-Cig perhaps? I don't think so the only thing that gets hot is the atomizer which is stainless steel which doesn't get hot enough to produce any vapors from the stainless steel or any other component except perhaps the plastic of the filter tip but it doesn't come in contact with that or close enough to melt it.

    The bottom line is that the wrong people are making money on this and the "right" people are losing money on them. Who are the two biggest losers if E-Cigs become a rampant success and millions of people start using them and quit smoking tobacco? Off the top of my head I would say first off the obvious, big tobacco stands to lose billions upon billions in today and future sales. We are talking the potential demise of an industry really. It could open the doors to the banning of tobacco. Since you can get your nicotine in a safe and effective way why should tobacco cigarettes be legal anymore? That's the question they don't want anyone asking. The second group to lose big if millions of smokers stop smoking and start living a healthier lifestyle and you won't want to admit it but the health industry stands to lose just as much money as the tobacco industry from the drop in tobacco related health cost and care.

    The really scary part of that is that these two groups lose not just this generation of smokers but the next and if the scenario I propose of banning tobacco cigarettes now that we have a safe and effective alternative with E-Cigs then all future generations. RJ Reynolds company execs are crapping in their pants at the thought of that. This ain't about safety it's what it is always about, money and who is making it. Don't get caught up in the wrong argument by asking the wrong question, that's how they have been doing this game since the beginning of time.

    OK enough of my rant for now, 2 weeks without a cigarette and I feel GREAT!
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    Very well put! It always comes down to the first thing they tell investigative journalists, back when the could make into print.

    Follow the Money Trail.

    Most of the vocal anti e-cig groups are sponsored by Big Pharma companies that make smoking cessation products. You know they will have the FDA require the manufactures to change the devices so that they will only work with a cartridge, no more tasty juice, and the maximum strength made infective, just like their BP cousins.

    Unfortunately the future of vaping right now rests in the hands of one judge in Florida.

    Dito on getting off analogs, I stopped on 9/9/09, part way thru a pack. Didn't plan it, just worked out that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoGurrl View Post
    Very well put! It always comes down to the first thing they tell investigative journalists, back when the could make into print.

    Follow the Money Trail.

    Most of the vocal anti e-cig groups are sponsored by Big Pharma companies that make smoking cessation products. You know they will have the FDA require the manufactures to change the devices so that they will only work with a cartridge, no more tasty juice, and the maximum strength made infective, just like their BP cousins.

    Unfortunately the future of vaping right now rests in the hands of one judge in Florida.

    Dito on getting off analogs, I stopped on 9/9/09, part way thru a pack. Didn't plan it, just worked out that way.
    Please keep this in mind - China does not give a **** about international laws. They will continue to manufacture electronic cigarettes as well as the juice, regardless of what laws the FDA decides to throw at us. Sure it may put an end to U.S. based suppliers, but thats about it.They will continue to ship products right to your door. Even if they make special carts that cannot be refilled, rest assure, China will make "black market" carts to be installed on "FDA approved" vaping devices. I am sure Mooby Ghost will figure out a way to mod one as well......when the time comes.

    Cheers

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    Oh no I am so scared that the government will make these illegal. Then what will we do, maybe have them smuggled in with the ......... shipments since we all know what a crap job they do of stopping that. I have never had any problems finding that stuff and it's been outlawed for years. These are a marriage made in heaven for smuggling with pot, ironic in a way.

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    the war on drugs is such a farce.

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    The thing that bothers the Smoke Stoppers groups ( S.S. ~ Sound familiar?) is the fact that these marvelous machines is that there could be some nicotine in the juice!! Now they're trying to call them ENDS (Electronic Nicotine Delivery System) so that the FDA will have jurisdiction over the possible importation of not only the Devices for Nicotine use (when in all reality is nothing more than a portable fog machine) but also the juices that contain nicotine. Got 'cha! That way, nicotine, being a drug, and the devices, being for drug use, are now falling under the thumb of Big Brother, the same thumb that Big Pharma and Big Tobacco help hold down all the creepy little guys that are trying to side-step the system. Oh No!! Competition?? This is our turf. As in "astro". As in "taxable". Better than cigarettes? And who pray tell cares about that.

    Me. That's 1. I think there's a few others.

    Yes, I want it to be safe. Regulate away. It's the nic juice that's bothers them so much, so legislate safety, that's fine. Hope they're better at watching that than they have been about our food, water, and air supply. I rather think though that no e-juice company will want to hurt their customer base.
    Not the honest ones, anyway. So the knock-off people will have to watch their butts! No pun.
    I've seen sufficient testing, sufficient use, and sufficient experience to vote "yes" for making them available OTC right now for every single ADULT in the world who wants one.
    I wonder, how much taxation would e-liquid generate per milligram of nicotine.....hmmmm. This could get expensive. Better stock up. I hear VG/nic only has a two-year shelf life. I think I'm about there now, unless I cut down a little more. Do-able.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blooper View Post
    the war on drugs is such a farce.
    With out a doubt.

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    Oh, and let's not forget the thousands of prescription drugs APPROVED by the FDA that carry the literature informing the consumer of the "possible adverse effects" from use of the drug, which is usually a couple of pages long, including such things as liver disease, stroke, seizures, etc.!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FluffaPuff View Post
    Oh, and let's not forget the thousands of prescription drugs APPROVED by the FDA that carry the literature informing the consumer of the "possible adverse effects" from use of the drug, which is usually a couple of pages long, including such things as liver disease, stroke, seizures, etc.!
    Indeed! The side effects on those med commercials are ****ing scary! Warning, May cause intestinal bleeding, a limp wang or cancer of the face.

    I medicate myself without the use of pills. **** big pharma.

    Cheers
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