SE still at it! :(

[HaploVoss]

They've begun advertising on syndicated talk radio as well.

I've never heard a SE ad on radio - but I hear TONS of ads for Smoking *Anywhere* and now more lately something called Smoke Assasin... there are several companies that try to tride on SE which complicates the matter further. :\

I just got back a little while ago from shooting the breeze w/ Andrew @ the mall. He's pretty peeved over all this just as much as anyone else. I also watched him sell 2 units while I was there and he is even warning people about the current FDA situation, but even with the warning he just takes the time to do a proper demo and gives extras with his sales I guess.

He tossed me an extra atty and a box of chocolate carts he had left over hiding away for when the wife and I stopped in next. (She loves the choco-carts)

So it doesn't matter where you go there will always be buttheads trying to make as fast a buck as possible with no thought to their customers, but this guy sure is not one of them, so I can't imagine that ALL of the SE kiosks are all rip off schemes either.

My .02
- Hap

[Data4]

Is SE a class act? No.

Agreed.

Do they mislead? Yes.

Agreed.

Is their product crap? Seems so.

Not so quick to agree. Is the price crap? Oh, absolutely. However, the product itself is pretty good, actually. In my case, it's the GoldOne 3.0, which is known generically as a RN4081. I bought mine in April, and so far, it's outlasted a DSE901 in the form of 3 batteries, 4 atomizers, and 1 USB passthrough. I treated the products exactly the same, but the only thing I've got left of the 901 is one atomizer and the charger. Meanwhile, my SE cig is performing flawlessly and is an awesome dripper. In the time I've had it, I've only had to replace the atomizer once and I did so through the warranty, so it was free.

I won't argue that SE's got some shady business practices, but of all the things I could complain about them, the product itself is the least of them. I'm sure others who cut their teeth on e-cigs with SE would agree.

-D4

[Sun Vaporer]

SE products are on par performance wise with any other Commercal e-cig. As for the price---way out of line.


Sun

[pcore]

@Kurt - Holy God. I read your post and have been reading up on that chain of events. Unbelievable in a sense, but totally in line with everything else we know about the FDA already. Apparently in a report, they stated that they wanted to "ensure that the existence of dietary supplements on the market does not act as a disincentive for drug development" WHAT THE?!?!? Does that seem completely insane to anyone else?

[Kurt]

@Kurt - Holy God. I read your post and have been reading up on that chain of events. Unbelievable in a sense, but totally in line with everything else we know about the FDA already. Apparently in a report, they stated that they wanted to "ensure that the existence of dietary supplements on the market does not act as a disincentive for drug development" WHAT THE?!?!? Does that seem completely insane to anyone else?

Pcore, exactly. People do not understand how evil these corporations are. The population in the US has in general never heard of Codex Alimentarius in the EU. There are some great videos on line. Our right to even use vitamins is under threat! It is becoming clear to me that soon it will be illegal to be healthy without the use of BP drugs. Health does not generate profit.

And as long as the idiot masses keep telling me it could never happen here, they will get away with it. You do not have to convince the intelligent if you are going to do something evil, like start a war for no reason. You only have to convince the average, since they are the majority, and the dwindling level of our education system, especially in math and science is no accident. Stupid can be controlled. Smart is a threat. The ability to critically evaluate statements and actions of our ruling elite is a threat. If fear doesn't work with nonsensical ads and news stories, then I wouldn't put it past them to just off a bunch of us to send the rest vapers running scared. Or vitamin takers, or organic produce lovers, or non-GM lovers, or anything else that threatens the status quo of the moneyed in power.

Ach!! I'm ranting! Blame it on the vapes...nothing to worry about here, move along, go back to sleep like good little worker sheep...

Kurt

[Pumaman]

Agreed.



Agreed.



Not so quick to agree. Is the price crap? Oh, absolutely. However, the product itself is pretty good, actually. In my case, it's the GoldOne 3.0, which is known generically as a RN4081. I bought mine in April, and so far, it's outlasted a DSE901 in the form of 3 batteries, 4 atomizers, and 1 USB passthrough. I treated the products exactly the same, but the only thing I've got left of the 901 is one atomizer and the charger. Meanwhile, my SE cig is performing flawlessly and is an awesome dripper. In the time I've had it, I've only had to replace the atomizer once and I did so through the warranty, so it was free.

I won't argue that SE's got some shady business practices, but of all the things I could complain about them, the product itself is the least of them. I'm sure others who cut their teeth on e-cigs with SE would agree.

-D4

My bad then, I was going by posts and reviews here and elsewhere rather then personal experience. My main point is someone has to foot the bill for the battle, might as well be them since they are the main target (along with Njoy) anyway.

[thewomenfolk]

I had NO CLUE the e-cigs were sold in kiosk's in Malls. I avoid Malls like the plague so haven't been shopping in one in a loooooooooong time. But the other day I went to one and saw the SE booth. I followed a lady away from the booth and told her to check out the Forum and better models of PV's.

I turned around and talked for a while with the SE salesman and he was very ignorant about the other PV's. I had a 510 hanging from my neck and showed him my Janty Stick. I think he was blown away....he looked impressed. I told him to check them out. Are there really people who don't search the Net for such things after they've found one model? A week or so earlier, I had gotten an Npro at Smoker Friendly, went home and discovered my mistake and immediately got online. Found the Forum, hence the 510 and Janty Stick and the rest is history.

[Madness008]

What are the false medical claims they make?

[markarich159]

What are the false medical claims they make?

By FDA regs and (as I've currently heard) a Federal District Court order ANY ecig maufacturer/disributor/seller cannot make any direct health claims(i.e. ecig's are safer/healthier then tobacco cigs/ecigs are a viable NRT therapy) because no FDA accepted U.S. Clinical Studies have been done to show this. Although, logically, most anybody would come to the conclusion that ecigs are safer, in the U.S.A. clinical evidence reviewed by the FDA is required by law before you can market a product with such health claims. This is the reason SE got in hot water in the 1st place, yet they continue to defy the FDA/Federal Court, which makes the situation/climate more tenuous for all ecig suppliers. Also, they can no longer claim that their ecig liquid is carcinogen free, as it is not. Again, much, much lower carcinogen content then tobacco cigs, but still not carcinogen free.

[Kurt]

What are the false medical claims they make?

That they are an effective smoke-cessation device. Which they are, for sure, most probably the best available to date. But to make a commercial claim of this in their advertising makes them, in the view of the FDA, marketing in a medical drug for a medical condition, that is, tobacco addiction. And THAT is a big no no for a non-BP/BT/gov't group to make!

Of course, that is only part of the BS we are being fed about this whole thing. It looks like it is about protecting BT/BP corporate interests.

Kurt