SE still at it! :(

[STILLSMOK9]

Yesterday I went to the mall to get a present for my dads birthday. As I walked thru, to my surprise, I noticed that the Smoking Everywhere kiosk was still there. It had been 6-7 months since i had visited this mall.

Out of curiosity, I lingered around for a second to listen to what he was about to tell a prospect that asked him if this device could help him quit smoking. He looked at me and I pulled out my 510 and said this thing has kept me off analogs for 7 months. Morally, I felt even tho it would interfere with SE business I warned him that there is a potential FDA ban looming.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT THE LITTLE S.E. DUDE SAID NEXT:

"Oh do not listen to him, we were FDA approved about a month ago.

l lost it then as I said "You are a liar"!!!!

I gave the prospect the address for ECF and said decide for yourself about the trtuth...

WTF

[Symmetric]

I also saw the SE kiosk in the mall yesterday and was going to see what they were telling folks, unfortunately the attendant was away so I couldn't hear the pitch...

[Bearwalk]

Wow good for you, I know people have to make a living, but damn, tha's just wrong! :/

[catwoman19]

I also saw the SE kiosk in the mall yesterday and was going to see what they were telling folks, unfortunately the attendant was away so I couldn't hear the pitch...

HE WAS OUTSIDE SMOKING

[Dorian_Gray]

if you can fault SE.

It might have been just one greedy little sucker not caring about the truth as long as he got his comission. Y'know...the entitlement generation?

[markarich159]

Last Tuesday I was at the Lehigh Valley Mall in Whitehall, PA buying Glenn Beck's new book at the Barnes and Noble and I happened to pass by the SE Kiosk. This female attendant who could barely speak english was trying to sell this older women an outrageously expensive kit. I overheard her making the very "health claims" that got SE in trouble in the first place so I walked over, waited until the imbecile attendant was finished(the lady bought nothing just took an SE business card) and as the lady walked away from the kiosk I introduced myself , told her I had experience with vaping and suggested she look into THIS FORUM to get some true info about vaping. We kept waking and talking and were about 30 yards away from the kiosk when two mall security gaurds poked me in the back and accused me of "interrupting the SE business in the mall" . The lady who I was talking to defended me and told them I did no such thing as she never had any intention of buying anything from SE in the 1st place. The security gaurds(who looked like they couldn't have stopped an 80 yr old person in a wheelchair) just gave me this ignorant look and walked away. So let me get this straight, I as a cash paying consumer, minding my own business in a mall , am not allowed to give consumer advice to another shopper??? As the security gaurds walked away I asked them if they had any knowledge of the current lawsuit in Federal court, and, of course, they denied it. I also asked if I would have done the same thing(offered consumer advice to another shopper) over a red sweater someone was mulling over in Macy's would they have done the same thing, or do they just protect SE's sales. The security gaurds were not really at fault, they were apparently just doing thier perceived jobs. But for the SE attendent to actually call the mall security becuz she couldn't close a sale and then blame it on another mall shopper, who just purchased items at another mall store(I had a Barnes and Noble bag in my hand the whole time). I'm still thinking about contacting LV Mall management about the incident.

[HaploVoss]

I'm still thinking about contacting LV Mall management about the incident.

I would... I'm sick to death of hearing about these horrific SE Kiosk incidents. I've gotten to the point where I consider the local guy here in Springfield, MO a friend. He runs a straight business, doesn't tell any tall tales about his products, and he stands behind them if something goes wrong. It is really frustrating to hear all of these terrible stories when the guy down the road from me at the mall is a really good guy. These kinds of stories are just incredible. I hope that something does give as far as this type of thing goes because it is not only bad for the decent guys selling at kiosks - it's bad for e-cigs in general!!

Take care,
- Hap

[Backslash]

They've begun advertising on syndicated talk radio as well.

[Kurt]

I know the opinion here is generally that SE became greedy and started making medical claims to make more $. But I want to through out another thought...and people can accuse me of paranoia...remember, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people AREN'T out to get you!

Given now that SE is in court over their medical statements, which are clearly going to push the FDA to kill not just their business but the whole cottage industry, and they are continuing to make the same statements, which could be controlled easily from the top down, suppose the unthinkable. Suppose that SE is being paid off big to be the agent provocateur and are purposely making these statements because they have been bought off to destroy the whole industry. BP/BT certainly has the $ to do this, and the motive. Someone please give me compelling evidence that this is a case of stupidity and making stupid claims to make money, and not a charade by the top dogs at SE to get out now paid off big, and pull the rest of the industry down with them. These things can and do happen all the time.

The next thought is scarier still, which is why I am stocking up now, regardless of the end result of this law suit. I give a real example of what I am thinking of: the case of tryptophan.

Tryptophan is a natural amino acid, and was commercially available back in the 80s. It is the precursor of seretonin, that so called "happy chemical" in the brain. Taking tryptophan was like taking a mild, natural sleep tonic that made you feel more relaxed and happier. Prozac works by blocking the reuptake of seretonin, thus keeping brain levels unnaturally high.

In 1988, a lot of tryptophan from Japan was tainted with something that made people very sick or dead. The tryptophan in of itself was fine, but there were other things present. It was stated it was from pure QC at the plant.

The FDA immediately banned the sale of all tryptophan in the US, regardless of the source. It is just now possible to buy tryptophan again, more than 20 years later. Imagine, a simple natural amino acid!!

A just weeks after the ban in '88, Eli Lilly released the first US-based seretonergic anti-depressant, Prozac. And the rest is history.

Turns out information came out later that the tryptophan had been purposefully tainted with pharma toxic waste material, in what is likely to have been a BP sabotage to make way for the mega-blockbuster prozac.

How hard would it be for someone paid off by BP or BT to infiltrate one of these liquid companies and poison a batch, kill a few people, and give the excuse to the FDA to make these things criminal to get, sell, have, use?

How is your security, e-juice companies? How many people do you have in contact with the liquid? perhaps these are the musings of a paranoiac, but again, these things can and do happen all the time. Higher demand requires hiring more employees. You are providing a valuable service that is in direct threat to huge death-dealing money. Ruthless is an understatement with respect to these reptiles in BP, BT and gov't. Please be careful and smart. We are counting on you!!

Kurt

[Pumaman]

Is SE a class act? No. Do they mislead? Yes. Is their product crap? Seems so. BUT, SOMEONE is going to have to spend bushels of money fighting and suing the FDA, so lets not do anything to shut them down just yet...