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    Not super careful but seriously encouraged to comply, also if i dont childproof and chip comply my kits and cartridges im out of business.. The fist of trading standards is about to rain down on UK sellers.

    By monday my kits will be compliant, fluid it is impossible for me to action this till i get an accurate analysis...

    Basically the fluids need to be tested to ensure that they do not fall under the remit of the "Poisons Act" I was unaware of this potential obstacle untill monday when Trading Standards highlighted it to me. In Essence a substance classified as a poison needs to be handled and sold in a more robust manner. IE, from a locked cabinet and an entry made in a poisons book after every sale. This then makes web sales of poisons illegal.

    In the case of nicotine, if a fluid carries more than 7.5% weight in a given soloution, it then falls under this act. Do my Fluids?? Well the truthful answer is i dont know, therefore it is i feel prudent to find out.

    In the interim i would be showing a serious case of bad judgement if i didnt withdraw them from sale. Yes its hurting my business but its better than hurting a child. Secondly once i know which fluids can be sold outside the poisons act, these will need Childproofing and correctly labelling with all relevant CHIP hazard warnings and tactile labels.

    I am preparing for this and when i know what strength of fluids can be sold,i will bottle and label so they comply with the UK and EEC directives. Additionally all my cartridges will now come in childproof containers with a similar labelling and warning structure as i mentioned above for my fluids.

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    Good luck with it, I hope this gets sorted soon.

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    Thank you Kate..

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    I also hope this gets sorted very soon, not just for the buyers but for you as well (((((Pillbox)))))) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by pillbox38 View Post
    Not super careful but seriously encouraged to comply, also if i dont childproof and chip comply my kits and cartridges im out of business.. The fist of trading standards is about to rain down on UK sellers.

    By monday my kits will be compliant, fluid it is impossible for me to action this till i get an accurate analysis...

    Basically the fluids need to be tested to ensure that they do not fall under the remit of the "Poisons Act" I was unaware of this potential obstacle untill monday when Trading Standards highlighted it to me. In Essence a substance classified as a poison needs to be handled and sold in a more robust manner. IE, from a locked cabinet and an entry made in a poisons book after every sale. This then makes web sales of poisons illegal.

    In the case of nicotine, if a fluid carries more than 7.5% weight in a given soloution, it then falls under this act. Do my Fluids?? Well the truthful answer is i dont know, therefore it is i feel prudent to find out.

    In the interim i would be showing a serious case of bad judgement if i didnt withdraw them from sale. Yes its hurting my business but its better than hurting a child. Secondly once i know which fluids can be sold outside the poisons act, these will need Childproofing and correctly labelling with all relevant CHIP hazard warnings and tactile labels.

    I am preparing for this and when i know what strength of fluids can be sold,i will bottle and label so they comply with the UK and EEC directives. Additionally all my cartridges will now come in childproof containers with a similar labelling and warning structure as i mentioned above for my fluids.

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    I have had a chat with my wife about this, she is an industrial chemist working in the oil industry, with over 35 years experience. The sums, if not the product, are the same. Thought this might help and if you want to clarify anything I am sure she will explain it.

    To simplify things she worked to a SG of 1 for both PG & Liquid Nicotine.
    She also said that it is very likely the nicotine would be a tincture (solution in alcohol) so very unlikely to be 100% pure nicotine liquid that is used in the liquid mix. For the sake of the sums we are using a theoretical mix of just PG & pure liquid nicotine.

    7.5% nicotine - weight in solution of PG, total of 30 ml liquid = 2.25 g of nicotine. In 10ml it would be 0.75g...and so on.

    On my TW 30ml bottle of juice, it states "30ml - Medium Strength - 11mg" - this equates to 0.03666% weight in solution in a 30ml bottle.


    1mg is 1,000th of a gram. Eg: 1mg of water = 1,000th of a ml.

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    ugh, thanks for posting that, but how about a summary that's a bit easier to read?

    so 36mg Wicked = 36mg/ml = 36/1000 = 3.6% then? Which would NOT fall under the UK poisons act, it would appear.
    Last edited by RjG; 12-18-2008 at 09:47 PM.

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    The bit that worries me is when you say selling over the internet could be illegal. I recon from your point of view labels and packaging probably is not much of a problem but locked cabinets, logs and the possible illegal internet sale is a real problem, in essence if this is the case , how do we buy Totally Wicked in the future?

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    If it doesn't fall under the act, it wouldn't matter anymore, would it?

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    So sorry about your problems pillbox. These little Hitler's really are pain.
    I hope you get it sorted out soon but i believe your quite right in the way your going about things. Thanks for sending me my little glass tube btw.
    I would just like to say your Wicked Apple Liquid is the best Vape i have had and if there is anything at all that I and all the other members can do in support of you i'm sure all you have to do is ask. Petitions, letters from Doctor's etc. My Docter is very pleased with my BP as it's down for the third month in succession but he's refusing to prescribe Champix? i think that's what it's called and that's quite legal but he says it's useless and harmful.

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    Lets hope for all our sakes it doesn't

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