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Duncan · 01-13-2009, 10:13 AM

Getting back to the original point of this thread:

Cambridge News Online has an article that hits at the heart of the dangers facing the e-cig in the UK. It’s about a landlord in Cambridge UK who has introduced the Mini into his public house. This is the tail-end of the article:-

Jason Cropper, managing director of theelectroniccigarette.co.uk, which imports the kits from China, admitted no clinical trials had been done to assess possible adverse health effects of the devices.

A spokesman for the Department of Health told the News: "Electronic cigarettes appear to be borderline products when considering compliance with the smoke-free law. They heat nicotine inserts using a microchip charging device, and therefore technically they are not 'lit'. However, most of these products seem to contain traces of tobacco.

"We have identified at least a dozen different brands of electronic cigarettes. All are different in composition and emissions. No such products have been approved for sale in the UK.

"We are currently obtaining information on ingredients and emissions of e-cigarettes from manufacturers and importers."
The full article can be seen here:
www dot cambridge-news dot co dot uk/cn_news_home/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=380409

If we aren’t careful, we’re going to have them walking all over us. Is there any way we can organise ourselves into a body that can lobby the various departments?

The alternative is to let the politically-correct (by whose politics, and who says they are correct?) nanny-state bureaucrats ban an extremely desirable smoking alternative.

I’m a totally non-violent person, but I want to go to London and start hitting people. If I’m deprived of my nicotine I may not be able to control this urge.

TropicalBob · 01-13-2009, 02:18 PM

Exactly what part of those statements would you counter with fact or common sense disagreement? Your government would be remiss if it did not try to protect its citizens from unscrupulous marketing of dangerous, flawed or misrepresented products (you have all of those with e-devices).

E-smoking will be approved only if it can be scientifically show to be both safe and effective as either NRT or an alternative that doesn't need regulation. Neither has been shown so far. And too few researchers are working to prove e-devices are viable products.

solution42 · 01-13-2009, 02:38 PM

I'm starting to think the strongest candidate for e-smoking's survival is going to be big tobacco jumping onboard to reap some divvy's, they can argue all day long that they are providing a safer alternative to what they already provide. They then cut a few of their low selling brands out in the pretence of a trade off or something similar to that.

alltah · 03-03-2009, 07:42 PM

Hi Guys for some reason i can not start a new thread but this seems as good a place as any to post this information. As i am supplying pv's around the pubs and bars in the area i live.(Eastbourne Area UK) I asked our local council what thier stand point on the issue is, and this is the info i was sent:

Hi Tim

I apologise for not contacting you earlier.

The information is as follows

The Use of Electronic Cigarettes and The Health Act 2006

The law associated with the acceptability of electronic cigarettes is far from clear, both from a legal viewpoint in terms of their use in a smokefree place, and in terms of the general safety of the products.

We are aware that investigation into the safety of their use is currently underway and results of sampling have not yet been released. It appears on the surface that the use of these cigarettes goes against the spirit of the law and it may be that it goes against the actual word of law.

We cannot provide a conclusive decision on their legal status at the current time. However, if it is decided that their use is illegal and you use one of the products, or allow the use of the products, in an enclosed public place, a workplace, or in a public or work vehicle, it would be at your own risk.

More information will be provided when we have received definitive guidance on this issue. This will then enable you to make a more informed decision on their use.

As it says we will update with further information as it becomes available.

I hope this is helpful

Gail Fenn
Regulation Adviser

OutWest · 03-03-2009, 08:25 PM

if their stance is that glycerine exhaled into the air is dangerous, they had better ban the use of asthma inhalers in indoor spaces.

Denni · 03-03-2009, 08:31 PM

Hi Alltah!

You can post new threads after you've amassed 15 posts

How can vaping go against the 'spirit of the law' if said spirit is the protection of workers and non-smokers from second-hand smoke?

It may be of interest that the Isle of Man has explicitly permitted the use of e-cigs indoors, as long as they are black with a blue LED so that they can definitely not be mistaken for the real thing.

smiler900 · 03-03-2009, 08:46 PM

I'm thinking of supplying pubs. Whats the legal stance on these, ie are they legal to sell untill te gov. notify otherwise?

TropicalBob · 03-03-2009, 08:46 PM

The Isle of Man acceptance is the work of Pillbox, as I recall. And great work it was.

A supplier should ask authorities what WOULD be approved -- and then supply it. Don't sell something that looks like a cigarette being smoked and then expect to meet "the spirit of the law." The spirit is about banning smoking. Period.

Kudos to at least one supplier who did it right. Now if more would seek proper approval through proper channels, without lies and deceptions, this practice might gain legitimacy.

alltah · 03-03-2009, 09:09 PM

I agree re the colour of the led I only supply blue leds to my customers and on the whole it’s really down to the publican or bar owner as to whether they allow the use and sale of PV’s in their premises. I market it as a personal vaporizer. I had trading standards take a look at the packaging etc and there is no problem there

Bob i did ask my local council what would be approved however they seem only able to pigoen hole the pv as some sort of cigarete as there is no other catagory it fits in under current law

Smo · 03-03-2009, 09:45 PM

Dang, you guys scared the s*it out of me! When i miss a thread, i use to read it from the very beginning, and kate up there gave me goosebumps!

Props to TW, they have always been ahead of time in this market.

01-13-2009, 02:38 PM	#63
solution42 Full Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 59	I'm starting to think the strongest candidate for e-smoking's survival is going to be big tobacco jumping onboard to reap some divvy's, they can argue all day long that they are providing a safer alternative to what they already provide. They then cut a few of their low selling brands out in the pretence of a trade off or something similar to that. __________________

03-03-2009, 09:09 PM	#69
alltah UK Supplier Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Sussex UK Posts: 17	I agree re the colour of the led I only supply blue leds to my customers and on the whole it’s really down to the publican or bar owner as to whether they allow the use and sale of PV’s in their premises. I market it as a personal vaporizer. I had trading standards take a look at the packaging etc and there is no problem there Bob i did ask my local council what would be approved however they seem only able to pigoen hole the pv as some sort of cigarete as there is no other catagory it fits in under current law Last edited by alltah; 03-03-2009 at 09:21 PM. Reason: to answer tb point

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01-13-2009, 10:13 AM	#61
Duncan Full Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: North Wales, UK Posts: 37	Getting back to the original point of this thread: Cambridge News Online has an article that hits at the heart of the dangers facing the e-cig in the UK. It’s about a landlord in Cambridge UK who has introduced the Mini into his public house. This is the tail-end of the article:- Jason Cropper, managing director of theelectroniccigarette.co.uk, which imports the kits from China, admitted no clinical trials had been done to assess possible adverse health effects of the devices. A spokesman for the Department of Health told the News: "Electronic cigarettes appear to be borderline products when considering compliance with the smoke-free law. They heat nicotine inserts using a microchip charging device, and therefore technically they are not 'lit'. However, most of these products seem to contain traces of tobacco. "We have identified at least a dozen different brands of electronic cigarettes. All are different in composition and emissions. No such products have been approved for sale in the UK. "We are currently obtaining information on ingredients and emissions of e-cigarettes from manufacturers and importers." The full article can be seen here: www dot cambridge-news dot co dot uk/cn_news_home/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=380409 If we aren’t careful, we’re going to have them walking all over us. Is there any way we can organise ourselves into a body that can lobby the various departments? The alternative is to let the politically-correct (by whose politics, and who says they are correct?) nanny-state bureaucrats ban an extremely desirable smoking alternative. I’m a totally non-violent person, but I want to go to London and start hitting people. If I’m deprived of my nicotine I may not be able to control this urge.

01-13-2009, 02:18 PM	#62
TropicalBob ECF Veteran Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 5,076	Exactly what part of those statements would you counter with fact or common sense disagreement? Your government would be remiss if it did not try to protect its citizens from unscrupulous marketing of dangerous, flawed or misrepresented products (you have all of those with e-devices). E-smoking will be approved only if it can be scientifically show to be both safe and effective as either NRT or an alternative that doesn't need regulation. Neither has been shown so far. And too few researchers are working to prove e-devices are viable products.

03-03-2009, 07:42 PM	#64
alltah UK Supplier Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Sussex UK Posts: 17	Hi Guys for some reason i can not start a new thread but this seems as good a place as any to post this information. As i am supplying pv's around the pubs and bars in the area i live.(Eastbourne Area UK) I asked our local council what thier stand point on the issue is, and this is the info i was sent: Hi Tim I apologise for not contacting you earlier. The information is as follows The Use of Electronic Cigarettes and The Health Act 2006 The law associated with the acceptability of electronic cigarettes is far from clear, both from a legal viewpoint in terms of their use in a smokefree place, and in terms of the general safety of the products. We are aware that investigation into the safety of their use is currently underway and results of sampling have not yet been released. It appears on the surface that the use of these cigarettes goes against the spirit of the law and it may be that it goes against the actual word of law. We cannot provide a conclusive decision on their legal status at the current time. However, if it is decided that their use is illegal and you use one of the products, or allow the use of the products, in an enclosed public place, a workplace, or in a public or work vehicle, it would be at your own risk. More information will be provided when we have received definitive guidance on this issue. This will then enable you to make a more informed decision on their use. As it says we will update with further information as it becomes available. I hope this is helpful Gail Fenn Regulation Adviser

03-03-2009, 08:25 PM	#65
OutWest USA Supplier Forum Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,217	if their stance is that glycerine exhaled into the air is dangerous, they had better ban the use of asthma inhalers in indoor spaces.

03-03-2009, 08:31 PM	#66
Denni ECF Veteran Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 383	Hi Alltah! You can post new threads after you've amassed 15 posts How can vaping go against the 'spirit of the law' if said spirit is the protection of workers and non-smokers from second-hand smoke? It may be of interest that the Isle of Man has explicitly permitted the use of e-cigs indoors, as long as they are black with a blue LED so that they can definitely not be mistaken for the real thing.

03-03-2009, 08:46 PM	#67
smiler900 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1	I'm thinking of supplying pubs. Whats the legal stance on these, ie are they legal to sell untill te gov. notify otherwise?

03-03-2009, 09:45 PM	#70
Smo Full Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Italy Posts: 125	Dang, you guys scared the s*it out of me! When i miss a thread, i use to read it from the very beginning, and kate up there gave me goosebumps! Props to TW, they have always been ahead of time in this market.