Bitrex

**TheEmperorOfIceCream** · 03-03-2009, 10:16 PM

I've always hated the phrase 'spirit of the law'. What it should be is 'we didn't allow for ingenuity so we'll try and screw up your work-around with our original legislation.'

But if there was such a thing as the spirit of this law I thought it was to protect third parties from second hand smoke. The respondent to Alltah's mail is quite revealing of official attitudes, however, (inadvertently so, methinks). As stated many times, this is about control, not safety. Clouds of vapour will never be accepted in public places. The disapprovers hate being balked, and we are definitely balking them by sitting in a bar appearing to smoke.

Incidentally (spiritadalaw-wise), I saw the same thing with rail travel here in the UK - smoking banned on all rail property including open platforms, even though the law was specifically concerned with enclosed spaces.

Irritating.

**rustylug** · 03-08-2009, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Weegie Burd

Hey Rusty, it was fab to meet you today.

For any of the doubters out there, you know who you are , I turned up at Rusty's stall whilst he was explaining the e-cig to a group of young guys who were interested in it - they seemed quite taken by it, hopefully they'll be making a purchase soon.

Anyway, Rusty didn't know me from Adam, so I just looked like another curious buyer, so it was easy for me to listen in to the information he was giving.

At no point did he refer to e-smoking as an NRT. He actually mentioned that he still has a couple of fags in the morning with his coffee etc and that he didn't actually advise people to look at it as a miracle 'give up smoking' device (or words to that effect lol).

He not only advised [potential] customers of the TS report right from the start, explaining why he could only sell starter kits with 0 Nic carts at the moment and what was being done to rectify this (i.e. child-proof carts), he also had a copy of the TS report in full view for all to read.

He also gave a demonstration of vaping his own e-cig, and had a sign inviting people to have a trial if they wanted.

Best of all; he wasn't being pushy and using the 'sales patter' to force this on anyone. He gave his information and allowed people to walk away, if need be, and decide for themselves if they wanted to later buy it or not.

Not at all like the Del Boy image some would like to paint of Rusty, the dodgy market stall seller trading from the back of a suitcase etc.

I did feel quite bad listening in without him knowing who I was. It was as though I was almost spying on him (I'd never get a job in Trading Standards lol) but it was just by chance that I arrived as he was talking to those young guys and I could hardly butt in and tell him who I was.

Rusty, it's great to see the e-cig being showcased in the public domain, and not just reserved for us luckily enough to have found this online community. You did us all proud.

p.s. don't be surprised if you get another visit from my Mum soon, she has her eye on one of the dream catchers you sell - will she be entitled to a 'mates rates' discount (j/k)?

A'ra best

Lou x

ETA: We were only there for a few minutes but it was great to see the amount of interest, in the e-cig, there was in that short time. It looks like the Press report has done us all a favour.

Thanks for that quote and hope you come buy again soon ....Ps ..will give mates rates for your mum hahahaha

**julliefishes** · 03-08-2009, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by TheEmperorOfIceCream

I've always hated the phrase 'spirit of the law'. What it should be is 'we didn't allow for ingenuity so we'll try and screw up your work-around with our original legislation.'

But if there was such a thing as the spirit of this law I thought it was to protect third parties from second hand smoke. The respondent to Alltah's mail is quite revealing of official attitudes, however, (inadvertently so, methinks). As stated many times, this is about control, not safety. Clouds of vapour will never be accepted in public places. The disapprovers hate being balked, and we are definitely balking them by sitting in a bar appearing to smoke.

Incidentally (spiritadalaw-wise), I saw the same thing with rail travel here in the UK - smoking banned on all rail property including open platforms, even though the law was specifically concerned with enclosed spaces.

Irritating.

TheEmperorOfIceCream, I totally concur with your statement, The same practices have occurred here in Canada. Being a baby boomer, I have found the erosion of our freedoms over the past few decades extremely frightening. The essense of "Spirit of the Law", deeply disturbs me.

**Toby** · 03-09-2009, 01:48 PM

Anyone heard of Bitrex - that stuff they put in cleaning products etc. to stop kids taking a sip - well e-liquid sure doesn't need that!
Anyone willing to experiment....?

**TropicalBob** · 03-09-2009, 02:48 PM

Many poisonous materials have "nasty" smelling or tasting stuff added to them, to prevent children from ingesting them. Can't do that with e-liquid. The entire purpose of e-liquid to taste good on inhalation, so it must smell inviting even when in liquid form.

Adding anything to make it unpalatable would ruin its very reason to exist.

**trog100** · 03-10-2009, 04:46 AM

dunno what liquid you use bob but the stuff I use tastes f-cking foul.. i cant say as it smells that nice either..

trog

**L E Jay** · 03-12-2009, 02:37 PM

Did anyone actually decide anything about the cartridges, as obviously they are being sold as packaged.

**Effex** · 03-12-2009, 04:36 PM

It really does depend on the liquid, Trog.

For example, I would normally get the tobacco stuff from JC in my mouth from topping off and that would taste like crap.

On the flipside, I JUST got my vapornine radbull and pepsi in the mail, and out of curiosity, dripped a small drop on my fingertip to taste, and well.. Let's just say that a child would find this stuff a lot more welcoming than some other flavors.

**Caesarea** · 03-13-2009, 05:31 PM

Sweet and sour experience, this is:
No intention of giving up, oh no, just trying a cheap solution.
Sat 7 March e-cig arrived.
Sun 8 March, analogs stay in their packet. Thurs 12 March, tar free, cough free, happy as a lark, budget problems solved and can also smell the daffodils.
Fri 13 March, read of possible ban on the UK side of pond. Totally downcast. I don't want to smoke packeted fags again.
Why is British society so DUMB?
Best to all.