Australian ban; Egar illegal

[TropicalBob]

We have discussed this before -- last January to be precise -- but no one had a good name. Now we have one. Electronic nicotine inhaler.

Anything with "smoking" in its name is in deep trouble from first utterance. Anything with "cigarette" in its name is likewise in deep trouble. Hey, we don't "smoke". We inhale nicotine as needed.

At last, we have true, descriptive replacement terminology.

[cucurucho]

I think that if we need to get anyone on our side, it's the anti-smoking lobby. Perhaps letters to the Cancer Council and various other NGOs could help. Although I think they'll hate the idea of electronic nicotine inhalers at first, if we word things to them as eloquently as Dr Laugesen worded his letter in this thread, we might have a chance of winning them over.

They have very loud voices and seem to have a large influence on government regulation.

[womblebat]

Totally agree with TropicalBob on the wording of "smoking" and "cigarette", just using these phrases seems to upset some people, so it has to be renamed to what it actually is, a nicotine inhaler.

Also to be honest if it was a choice between joining the smokers outside and totally avoiding public places, and a total ban, then i would happily step outside or just use it in my own private surroundings.

Some people see these devices and just assume its actual smoke and not vapour, and no amount of explanation will persuade them otherwise.

[solution42]

I'm loving your posts too mate that's a fantastic response you received there Trumpybloke. I'm going to have to re-read it a few times to fully absorb it. It's responses like that that give me hope we can show this ban to be what it really is.

I also agree with you Lithium1330 and Tropicalbob that we cannot align this fight with a smoking lobby, our desire to rid ourselves of tobacco and it's hazardous effects is potentially our strongest point.

[Kate]

There was a small amount of support for us when I contacted Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) in the UK. I hate to say it but the 'antis' have a strong lobby and are worth trying to get onside. As Solution says '... our desire to rid ourselves of tobacco and it's hazardous effects is potentially our strongest point."

Where they couldn't support us was because of lack of regulation, tests and safety standards. Theoretically they think vaping is a good alternative to smoking.

The activists among us really should think about getting organised, we'll get further as a cohesive group than as individuals.

Dr Laugensen's message is excellent (but I'm confused about the mixed messages on the dosage of nicotine he's been giving. I wish someone would compare blood plasma nicotine levels of smokers and vapers).

[sherid]

OK I guess I am out of here as a poster. I will continue to read, but it is pretty clear that whenever anyone disagrees with the general ideas, there is little respect for their opinion. I would NEVER join forces with ASH, for I see them as one of the most dangerous groups to ever take over world politics and personal freedoms. I will continue to use the e cig to cut down on smoking and perhaps even quit one day. Peace out.

[Kate]

I'm sorry you feel like that Sherid, there really is no need for us to fight amongst ourselves. We are all coming from different directions and trying to achieve the same thing, hopefully we will meet at the same point in the middle.

[cucurucho]

Sherid, I respect your opinion. I think FORCES are onto a good thing, I've read about them before. And I personally think that the anti-smoking lobbies are right up there with the creationists on the bad science scale, and that they are constantly over stepping their boundaries by getting unreasonable laws passed.

This is exactly why I think they would make a much more useful and powerful ally than the pro smoking groups. It may seem like a slip to the dark side, but these are indeed dark times.

[Di]

I think some one had suggested this before...

Current Owner Of 2 e-cig Retail Stores

please disregard the suggestion to maybe regulated as toys, in this post.......
but the idea for the name stands.
I agree with the good Doc, 100%

Di .......

[Frankie]

The design must be something far from regulars and far from a "cool" device with ligths and stuff like that, we need a design that looks clinical or low key, for the folks with only the need of flavor and nicotine we need some liquid that dosnt produce the visual vapor, this way nobody will can tell that they are vaping.

This product already exists. It is called nicotine inhaler, clinically tested, completety safe, not made in China at all and sold in any good pharmacy for some $45. Good luck.